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    miscalculating scrapper knowledge

    My opinions are formed from the yard I go to and since they are the closest i really have no choice . do things proper with a good load and you make money
    The end buyer dictates what they want , I see now the yards are same as us .When they can sell TV boards any way you give them the boards
    motors that are AL wire they buy them from the scrapper . When the yard becomes accountable the scrapper who might not of sold off some items while no body cared now might be stuck with what was not really true Copper
    AL is AL
    Us scrappers know the items well before others , we need to sell what we know will some day become true value of said item.
    Moral of story don't miscalculate and horde away items that you know are on the edge of truth . You can alway sell metal
    but prices for electric motors @ copper compared to Dirty AL @ true is a something you knew before others

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    yep! that just about spells it out ; ) haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copper Head View Post

    Moral of story don't miscalculate and horde away items that you know are on the edge of truth .
    You can alway sell metalbut prices for electric motors @ copper compared to Dirty AL @ true is a something you knew before others

    Copper Motors used to be worth a lot more as is. Now were just getting a Dirty AL price around .22/lb depending.

    I too have hoarded 2 tons of copper motors. I either take a loss selling them at .22 /lb = $880

    or at a projected %30 copper recovery weight by average

    4000*.3= 1200 lbs of copper #2 @ 2.50# = $3000

    Now I feel forced to tear each and every one a part

    Maybe Only half are able to produce copper, leaving us with %15 recovery

    4000*.15= 600 @2.50 # = $1500

    The remaining 3400#s or so @ .075 = $255
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    What the ???

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    You never know what tomorrows prices will be...

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    I could be wrong, but this is what I got out of his post:

    A scrapper does/should know the value of something that they want to sell. This is because of the more intense handling of the material.

    For example, you can always try to "slip in" things like aluminum wound motors and hope to get paid as copper bearing, but that's not what they are worth. Eventually, the scrap yard has to pass the accountability onto the scrapper, and pay accordingly.

    Hoard material based on their true value, not on what you might be able to get for it currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanw View Post
    I could be wrong, but this is what I got out of his post:
    For example, you can always try to "slip in" things like aluminum wound motors and hope to get paid as copper bearing, but that's not what they are worth. Eventually, the scrap yard has to pass the accountability onto the scrapper, and pay accordingly.
    That seems to sum that part of it up a little better ; ) True enough that's a large part of what it comes to be. I've taken cleaner loads of shred and the scales seemed to be weighing on the light side, taken not so clean loads, and seemed to weigh the same, on the light side.
    I've also watched the scale fella dock me several pounds on clean loads when I could see no reason to, but it seems to be their practice, not necessarily due to the individual load, but what they've come to do on them all.
    I should have addressed that with him then, but had too many other things on my mind, the fact is, my higher priced piles are always cleaner than the shred would be, such as a bunch of aluminum degausing cables which to me aren't worth stripping, but instead of trying to hide them in with #2 ins copper, I set them aside and they're still sittin waiting on me to figure out what to do with. Maybe they have too many others taking another route, on most any category

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanw View Post
    I could be wrong, but this is what I got out of his post:

    A scrapper does/should know the value of something that they want to sell. This is because of the more intense handling of the material.

    For example, you can always try to "slip in" things like aluminum wound motors and hope to get paid as copper bearing, but that's not what they are worth. Eventually, the scrap yard has to pass the accountability onto the scrapper, and pay accordingly.

    Hoard material based on their true value, not on what you might be able to get for it currently.
    Absolutely
    I have lots of AL motors that sold sweet last year now the jig is up Dirty AL
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    I recently found a nice 486 chip I see now there getting little on ebay and worse is like no bids
    I have stock piled lots of chips and I have a bad feeling about that now . More then just the lower spot for gold , might be the true value .
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    I am starting to see AC rads have copper elbows but AL piping now
    I am convinced copper is a keeper
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    No point in me saying any more cause the yards read our stuff also.
    For sure I have taken apart so much I know whats what .
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    Whoupp ug kuys !
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    "Copper Motors used to be worth a lot more as is. Now were just getting a Dirty AL price around .22/lb"


    Cut the cord and throw the rest in the shred pile, im not busting open vacuums to make an extra 50 cents anymore, i am getting 18 cents pound for the entire vaccum as shred so why should i pull the motor out to get paid 22 cents for it and noting for the carcass. The math does not work. If anything i am losing money and wasting man hours by taking them apart.
    I buy and sell all types of scrap and escrap. I buy specialty and hard to sell escrap. I buy resale items. PM me or contact me at jghilino@hotmail.com
    I AM ACTIVELY BUYING ESCRAP OF ALL TYPES. BOARDS, RAM, CPUS AND MUCH MORE

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    Quote Originally Posted by jghilino View Post
    i am getting 18 cents pound for the entire vaccum as shred
    You're gettin 18 cents for shred ?? I'm lucky here nowdays to get 6 or 7 !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jghilino View Post
    "Copper Motors used to be worth a lot more as is. Now were just getting a Dirty AL price around .22/lb"


    Cut the cord and throw the rest in the shred pile, im not busting open vacuums to make an extra 50 cents anymore, i am getting 18 cents pound for the entire vaccum as shred so why should i pull the motor out to get paid 22 cents for it and noting for the carcass. The math does not work. If anything i am losing money and wasting man hours by taking them apart.

    thats awesome if you can toss the full sweeper in as shread, my yard wont let me do that - too much plastic

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    Quote Originally Posted by jghilino View Post
    "Copper Motors used to be worth a lot more as is. Now were just getting a Dirty AL price around .22/lb"


    Cut the cord and throw the rest in the shred pile, im not busting open vacuums to make an extra 50 cents anymore, i am getting 18 cents pound for the entire vaccum as shred so why should i pull the motor out to get paid 22 cents for it and noting for the carcass. The math does not work. If anything i am losing money and wasting man hours by taking them apart.
    It is absolutely unbelievable that you ate getting $360 a ton for shred. That would be the highest quoted price I have ever seen on this forum.

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    By me they yard buys electric motors this can be any electric motor or transformer

    Dirty alum is any alum with steel, plastic or wood attached

    We do have a painted alum category as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41haikuwarriors View Post
    It is absolutely unbelievable that you ate getting $360 a ton for shred. That would be the highest quoted price I have ever seen on this forum.

    No kidding! The highest for me was only $210.00 a gross ton in the almost 4 years I've been doing this!!

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    electric motors are electric motors at my yard, copper or aluminum no matter. electric motors, little transformers off brown boards, even solenoid coils from dishwasher inlet valves all go as one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurrikane View Post
    electric motors are electric motors at my yard, copper or aluminum no matter. electric motors, little transformers off brown boards, even solenoid coils from dishwasher inlet valves all go as one.
    Your yard will care in time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Copper Head View Post
    Your yard will care in time
    That is due to prices bing down! Buyers will be more selective on what and how they want it! When prices were at an all time high for sheet iron by me you wouldnt believe what was thrown in the pile! Yards are funny, I had 2 boxes of stuff Yellow brass giong for $1.70 a pound and a box of die cast zinc going for .10 a pound, guy took the brass without looking at it but then went thru the zinc LOL!

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