Printable View
How much concrete are you thinking about? It sounds like the simple solution might be pretty costly. I don't have much experience with concrete, but I'm wondering how easy it would be for a large volume of concrete to cure. Also, how would it stress the tank itself while still in a semi-liquid state.[/I]Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot76
Too many unknowns on my end, but really don't like the sounds of the adding concrete to the tank to make a smaller tank idea. What's going back in the tank and what is that going to be used for? What happens if the concrete breaks down, crumbles? When it is time to remove everything what will happen? Will it end up costing your company big at that time? Be a hazardous situation?
Can the walls be shortened to make a smaller tank?
Really think you should just remove it and replace with new on this one. Don't try and invent in this situation.
Here's some other online auctions that you can usually get some decent deals on with equipment and trucks. If you want a good relationship with dealer service I would suggest that you think about leasing the equipment from the dealer or purchasing from the nearby dealer for bet pr and a good service relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot76
Big Iron
Purple Wave, Inc. | No reserve equipment and vehicle auctions
Reasonable questions have been posed about the concrete filling....but some back-up engineering work should tell if this is a feasible solution. What's the fuel it's to be filled with?
I'm asking because concrete will not likely be a close fit to the steel walls when all is said and done...concrete shrinks a little. And steel has a different expansion rate than concrete. So filling it with just about anything will be like "putting a brick in a toilet tank" method reducing the volume. You could put gravel in it and get the same result!!!
If you fill it with concrete and then proceed to seal the remaining part of the tank from the concrete, with, say, an epoxy/fiberglass seal or something like it that will resist the fuel, then you have what you are looking for. But the cost saving will be less.
I'm assuming there is no concern with corrosion on the bottom of the tank...the floor? If the seal is made at the top of the concrete the original floor integrity is of no concern except for structural purposes. I'm referring to the outside of the bottom, where water would have had a chance to do its work over the years....
There is probably some wording in the regs about doing some non-destructive testing to verify the integrity of the tank as well.
I'm also assuming that the Federal legal guidelines--the fine print--allow this kind of modification? (I would guess yes...but the redesign will likely need to be stamped by a PE.) Do the modern regs also demand a spill containment berm?
Your comments are just great about this project. Your boss must be a very cool guy in allowing this free thinking! Your methods of saving money are outside of the box, and sounds very much like what I had spent a lot of my working career in the sawmill doing....getting acceptable, low cost results from unconventional solutions...!!!
Jon.
PS--you are saving the motors in a different category of scrap....right on! But don't forget to have a look at the gearboxes as well. There may be quite a few boxes that are right angle worm drive boxes....they are pretty much obsolete now but back in the day they were heavily used. Anyway, the gearwheel in those boxes is very likely to be a huge chunk of brass or bronze and pretty simple for the yards to pull out.
Some great ideas and questions have been presented and greatly appreciated. Earlier in the thread it was stated this forum is like having access to a 24 hr. consulting company. Updates will be provided with the solutions to the problems as time progresses. The tanks are further down the road and many more opinions will be solicited before they are tackled. Thanks to everyone.
Thought you might like to see the view from my new home. I am use to my ranch, cabin and the wildlife that my dogs love. The dogs have gone back to live at the cabin and the only wildlife here is pigeons. I did see a dog being walked the other day, but the owner thought I was strange because I stopped the truck to pet the dog. Yes, I had my cowboy hat on. So much to learn. This picture is to the east. I have glass windows to the south and west as well but the pictures are not that good. I feel like the Beverly Hillbillies living in Omaha.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps003dbd80.jpg
[QUOTE=Patriot76;193326]Thought you might like to see the view from my new home. I am use to my ranch, cabin and the wildlife that my dogs love. The dogs have gone back to live at the cabin and the only wildlife here is pigeons. I did see a dog being walked the other day, but the owner thought I was strange because I stopped the truck to pet the dog. Yes, I had my cowboy hat on. So much to learn. This picture is to the east. I have glass windows to the south and west as well but the pictures are not that good. I feel like the Beverly Hillbillies living in Omaha.
Like old home week. I showed my wife without letting her see the text and she knew right off - said "That's 'Woodman of the World'" (look close at the top of the tall, white building). Sure changed a lot in the last 23 years.
Right on. Now you want to guess the building I am staying in. You guess that I will buy you and your wife breakfast.
Don't feel bad, Patriot. At least you're not stuck here!
Attachment 1059
But you could be here...
http://www.outerbanks.org/media/906603/_nc12_hero.jpg
I win I win!
Sirscrapalot - Loving his sandbar.
What is that a barrier reef?
That sir the is the road to the other REAL Island...on the way down to Hatteras...I think.
Not my photo! I don't own a plane.
Edit: Jokes aside, upon closer looking...I think that's NC 12 going south to Hatteras, also known as Bodie Island(spelling is correct, those folks back then couldn't spell very well.) An also National Wildlife Refuge. Lord help you if you drive over a turtle, or a bird or something. The rangers will suck your soul straight out of your ear. They frown on that. The lighthouses are awsome.
Sorry Patriot..had to educate the wanna be island dweller, also known as my friend BC.
Sirscrapalot - Haters going to hate, till they come visit..then I can't get rid of them. ;)
I was trying to figure that out. I'd say that tall building like a spire is a casino on the Iowa side of the Missouri River. It wasn't there when we left. So, you must be on an upper floor of a hotel about 20th St north of Dodge. I'm guessing Econo Lodge at 2211 Douglas St. (It was built since we left - I cheated and "Googled" "Hotels in Omaha").Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot76
Mick, I owe you and your wife breakfast. It is not a hotel, but the corporate Penthouse on top of one of the apartment buildings Todd has remodeled in Omaha. It is the 19th floor in the 2200 block on the south side of Dodge. The Econo Lodge is an hourly hotel and only two stories tall. Glad I am not staying there. That would be a burr in the wife's saddle.
Sir, please do not apologize. I love the education on the forum.
I'll gladly collect the next time you're in Maine.
Drove in from the ranch today and have some spare time, so it is time to update a few projects. The first picture is the bottom of the boiler that runs eight stories tall and is supported by the ceiling. We have two of them that will be cut out from the floor up and will become the chutes for dropping the metal into the basement. The second is a picture after we started cutting. There is a foot and a half of cement and rock lining in the bottom running 16 ft. high. It is hard to gouge cut against concrete, so the second one will go much faster. The Omaha Bomb Squad is coming in to blast the concrete before we cut on it. The third picture is the boiler on the main floor. It has a constant tunnel of pipes used to heat steam.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8c11dc25.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1f52ac1f.jpg
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps79bbb2a9.jpg
Here is a picture after we gouged out the metal and you can see the concrete, rock, and brick.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7a03ef32.jpg
A picture of a water tank is posted below. New cutter started cutting it before I knew what was happening. By the time I saw it, this is what it looked like. The results of this situation will be posted later.
http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4a4320ee.jpg
Only one crew member can be trusted with this situation, so it will either be him or myself that takes it down. No I am not an expert, would rather jeopardize myself before asking someone else to take the chance.
Thanks for the update and good pics Patriot.
The brick just gave me a thought. If you get some brick walls to take down, you can do pretty well selling the old solid brick. The mortar in this building should be old enough to easily pop off with a hammer. With a little practice you can hit it sharply and break off the mortar without breaking the brick. Stack them on pallets 500 at a time in a crosshatch pattern and they will stay. I used to get $350 to $500 per thousand brick when they were needing a lot of them to rebuild New Orleans after Katrina. Some new brick companies will also buy palletized old brick. Your boss may have a use for these for building, so it may not be a selling item, but they are easy to clean if any of the guys have some downtime.
Also, the firebrick can be reused for fire pits and such.
Well ****. I've been peeking through the forums for a day or so, but once I saw this project was in my town, I had to register and comment.
I've never heard of this power plant (unless it IS the "Fort Calhoun" plant, which is the only name I've never heard), and I'm pretty much unaware of what is going on, but it's incredible to see the massive size of the machinery they used in that place.