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    There is a demolition foreman and our new lead man. The lead man has been scrapping for 25 years and working for this company most of the time. He started as a laborer and shortly moved up to a burner. We have gone round and round about different issues with the cutting. He finally accepted our method of cutting, story will be posted in A Scrappers Dream: Cutting Torch. The reason he is brought up here is because he has taught me so much about non ferrous. I carry a magnet around all the time while he can identify metal from experience and looking at it. He has shown us gold, silver, platinum, brass, copper, etc. in many of the machines in this facility. The learning curve gets steeper everyday.

    He offered to buy all the non ferrous metals at the price we were quoted by the big buyers. Fearing hard feelings among the crew if we sold to him a deal was worked out with the non ferrous buyer. The non ferrous buyer gets all the prepared, and anything he buys that needs scrapped he will sell back to our lead man. Everyone comes out a winner, the lead man gets the goodies, the buyer does not have to hire someone to prepare the motors, and I do not have to worry about the crew. Just a tip to those of you working in a related field that want a creative way to get scrap.

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    Why not offer the same deal to all the workers?
    The chance to make some extra cash at the "end" of the job would be a great motivator!
    I feel putting things like this out in the open is a better way to deal with the problem. Having one of the workers find out about this backdoor deal could be worse then making the deal out in the open and not available to others.
    You made it very easy for one of the workers to find out by posting this on a public forum where pictures of the job and you are available
    If it's gonna be backdoor it's gotta be quiet......
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    Thanks, NHScrap. You make a very good point. Any one willing to research through this forum deserves the same deal. I will not give away one man's business plan, unless is my own. This is a deal I worked out because I was approached by a scrapper. Anyone else on the crew that approaches me will get the same deal. I will tell them who I am selling it to and they will have the right to approach the buyer. If they have a strong work ethic and good values, I will offer to be a reference. If not, they will be on their own. There is plenty of the material to keep everyone happy. My intent was not to make it a back door deal, only to avoid having to play politics while giving others the opportunity to benefit.

    Different perspectives are welcomed. That is how we grow.

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    Not in cahoots with the one scrapper, I can respect that!
    And so will your workers!
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    Thought a few pictures might be in order. Every time we turn around someone is tripping over these. Good problem to have. To give you a perspective of the size, the torch you see is a 21 inch gas axe made by Smith/Miller Torches.
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    These are a couple of electric motors that powered the conveyor belts shown in a picture on the main post. These are about the size of beach balls and will be sent oversees for scrapping. Even our scrapper will not mess with them. We probably have fifty electric motors the size of a pick up box throughout the plant.

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    As we get light into the building more pictures will be taken. It is so bad, we finally broke down and bought every crew member their own flashlight. Following are pictures of thing a ma jigs and whatchama call its. So far 1/3 of the value of the metal hauled out of the sight is non-ferrous. We have three gophers working on the non ferrous and 13 torches going. The number will double within the next two weeks.



    Notice the conduit at the ceiling level. Miles and miles of copper wiring.











    There is limited knowledge on this end about the pictures. I know we have gotten copper, brass, silver, gold, and platinum from these and will let the experts chime in with their insights for everyones benefit.
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    OMG!
    Gargantuan copper transformers, copper pipe, brass fittings, copper buss bars, miles o' wire & telephone systems!
    Even industrial fuses have value.
    I need a towel (I'm drooling)
    Keep up the good work & thanks for posting the pics!

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    Wow, this place really is just miles and miles of metal.

    The photos are great, Patriot. Are they at maximum resolution? I'm amazed they're turning out so well, given how dark it must be there. Thanks for taking the time to show them to us.

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    Another transformer. It seems like they are multiplying like rabbits. Good problem.


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    Just a few pictures of nonferrous this week. We average eight gay lords sorted every two weeks. A lot more is just sent to the scrap yard because we do not have time to remove and sort. The main focus on this project is reconstruction, not the salvage operation. Deadlines have to be kept so a lot of non-ferrous is not recovered. All types of nonferrous metals have been found and my learning curve continues to expand everyday.








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    Curious, where did you get the gold from? Any pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhairboy View Post
    Curious, where did you get the gold from? Any pics?
    Sorry I do not have any pictures. We have a life long scrapper that takes care of preparing the nonferrous. He is always upset because someone through away a motor or something because it would take to much time to prepare. He swears he can smell the difference between copper and brass. As far as what metals came from what, I do not know the names of half the stuff we are tearing into. If a magnet does not stick to it, we bring in our nonferrous guy and sometimes he can tell us the equipment we are looking at and sometimes he just shrugs his shoulders and does a little dance because he is so happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLimits View Post
    Wow, this place really is just miles and miles of metal.

    The photos are great, Patriot. Are they at maximum resolution? I'm amazed they're turning out so well, given how dark it must be there. Thanks for taking the time to show them to us.
    Sorry for the late response. Nothing fancy about the pictures. They are taken with a smart phone and not doctored at all. We are getting more and more light into the building by running wire or breaking windows. We will regret breaking the windows when winter arrives.

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    We subcontracted the metal in the turbine room to a large demolition company. Wanted to share some pictures that made my mouth water and tears come to my eyes. The first picture is one of two turbines.



    These are pictures as they are being dismantled.





    Coils that are aluminum faced, copper and brass. Each coil is 10 ft. tall, 2 in. diameter, and eighteen in each pack. There are four packs and the estimated weight is about one ton each.





    This is the core of the turbine, 80% brass and according to the foreman over 20 tons.



    The hub the core was pulled out of is brass coils 3 in. wide, half in. thick, winding the whole length of the turbine.



    There is a labor intensive technique to access the non ferrous in the turbines that has been learned as they progress. This company specializes in scrapping turbines and have shared a lot of their secrets with us. Good contacts to have.

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    My GAWD... I have no words.. can't speak.. my mouth is hanging too widely open!
    Thanks Patriot! Awesome stuff!
    I'm so into scrapping.. When my Steel Toe Boots Wear out, I cut the Steel out of them and recycle the Toe!

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