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davidarlen trouble with county taking... 04-05-2014, 09:15 PM
Jillyenator Yikes. I have no knowledge of... 04-05-2014, 09:40 PM
davidarlen Yes it is neighbors... 04-05-2014, 09:48 PM
ryanw Just some thoughts -... 04-05-2014, 09:52 PM
davidarlen ryanw I only advertise on... 04-06-2014, 07:30 AM
CCRcameron That totally blows, man. In... 04-05-2014, 09:49 PM
PartTimeScrapper If you have 1 acre then build... 04-05-2014, 09:52 PM
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shaun319 I have been there, except... 04-05-2014, 10:02 PM
Swampy That sucks. Hope you get left... 04-06-2014, 06:13 AM
davidarlen I think I know one of my... 04-06-2014, 07:22 AM
Jillyenator We all have one of those old... 04-06-2014, 06:13 AM
armygreywolf I think I would hit your... 04-06-2014, 11:16 AM
1956 Well I can not believe you... 04-06-2014, 12:18 PM
wadarbr549 I not only believe i can do... 04-06-2014, 03:02 PM
1956 Just like you said in your... 04-06-2014, 07:11 PM
davidarlen 1956 I see your point, I try... 04-07-2014, 08:15 PM
davidarlen I think if I refused to let... 04-07-2014, 08:10 PM
Trot trouble with county taking... 04-06-2014, 01:05 PM
FLimits I have to agree with 1956.... 04-06-2014, 01:06 PM
jord0690 This is why I like having a... 04-06-2014, 01:26 PM
KzScrapper I do work from home but... 04-06-2014, 01:49 PM
bigburtchino There's a lot of good reasons... 04-06-2014, 03:26 PM
happyscraper Either comply with the law or... 04-06-2014, 03:49 PM
Gravitar Is it possible to store the... 04-06-2014, 04:43 PM
Mechanic688 I was going to suggest a... 04-06-2014, 06:00 PM
KzScrapper wadarbr549...Well of course... 04-06-2014, 06:07 PM
wadarbr549 i did not know it was... 04-06-2014, 07:07 PM
Nealcrenshaw Well said Wadarbr549 I 100%... 04-06-2014, 07:25 PM
wadarbr549 i agree i love this forum...i... 04-06-2014, 07:32 PM
bullion The city was snooping around... 04-06-2014, 07:41 PM
EcoSafe There are 2 sides to every... 04-06-2014, 10:28 PM
jw7783 I've never had any complaints... 04-07-2014, 05:00 AM
erewen Olddude beat me to it - out... 04-07-2014, 06:03 AM
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Kochy I'm glad I dont have to worry... 04-07-2014, 10:19 AM
bullion Just being the straight... 04-07-2014, 11:24 PM
davidarlen Thanks for the support. I... 04-08-2014, 07:14 AM
KzScrapper Smart Dude. 04-08-2014, 08:59 AM
1956 I want to follow up with this... 04-08-2014, 10:54 AM
shaun319 do a good quick clean up... 04-08-2014, 01:04 PM
FLimits I understand this objection.... 04-08-2014, 03:02 PM
FLimits Again, if you were selling... 04-08-2014, 03:04 PM
bigburtchino I'm going to quote one of my... 04-08-2014, 03:46 PM
12oclock Originally, I was bent due... 04-08-2014, 07:50 PM
davidarlen So, for the OP.... ??? (... 04-08-2014, 09:55 PM
12oclock Sorry, didn't see this til... 04-09-2014, 05:23 AM
davidarlen No problem 12Oclock I also... 04-11-2014, 11:35 PM
Sirscrapalot Original Poster... Or it... 04-08-2014, 10:15 PM
davidarlen Thanks clearing up the... 04-09-2014, 06:12 AM
FLimits Definitely "original... 04-08-2014, 10:51 PM
Sirscrapalot That's BO....but FL you know... 04-08-2014, 11:11 PM
FLimits ssewba... Dftba! 04-08-2014, 11:46 PM
Sirscrapalot lol Since I'm the master... 04-09-2014, 12:33 AM
Jillyenator I personally don't like nosy... 04-08-2014, 11:16 PM
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beardo trouble with county taking... 04-09-2014, 05:35 AM
Copper Head YES I have , Wile rural... 04-12-2014, 01:54 AM
wadarbr549 this is a reply to what... 04-12-2014, 08:59 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by wadarbr549 View Post
    the above post that i am replying to says ,"We on this forum should not condone what you do" (...) this really offends me..as i have been a member of this forum for a year or so and that is not my opinion at all.
    I understand this objection. It's not a good idea to imply that all forum members should agree with your own viewpoint. However, in some ways you seem to be doing the same thing. For example, you wrote:



    ...people need to mind there own business...if you are so fragile you are offended by the site of junk then you have serious issues and may need help.
    I know there's at least one member of this forum who would not always agree with those two statements: me. Although I generally think that people ought to mind their own business, if someone is doing something that could significantly affect my own life, I believe his activity becomes "my business" too -- especially if what he's doing causes me harm or poses a potential danger. And I just plain disagree with the idea that anybody who considers junkpiles unsightly has "serious issues and may need help." Maybe you were just angry when you wrote that. In any event, just because I don't fully agree with these statements, that doesn't mean I'm claiming they're "wrong." I think we just have different perspectives because I've never lived in a low-density rural area -- and maybe you've never lived in a high-density suburb or city. In your post, you explained the reasoning behind your viewpoint, which helped me to understand it, so now I'll explain my reasoning on the same issues you addressed. In the end, I think we'll understand each other better. OK, so here goes...

    If one of my neighbors had so much junk that it lowered the property values i would be very happy, i would actually thank him.
    When you wrote this, you were talking about your property taxes. But would you still feel this way if you were trying to *sell* your property? Think about it this way: Imagine something has come up and you have to sell your house to get money. When you put it on the market, will you keep your yard exactly the way it is now, or will you clean it up? Do you think you would get a better price if you cleaned up? If so, then you must believe that for most people, the junk in your yard lowers your property's value.

    If you would want to get the best possible price when selling your own property, then you can understand why your neighbors would feel the same way. Now, since you live in an area where people's properties are far apart, I don't know if your yard has a major effect on your neighbors' property values. However, every house I have ever owned has been on a small residential street with lots of neighbors. In that type of area, the values of the homes are closely linked: To determine the value of my house, for example, an appraiser or a real estate agent would look at recent sales of other houses on my street. Therefore, when I bought my property, I paid a price based in part on the desirability of the whole area, which included the protections provided by its zoning laws. If one of my neighbors had subsequently started running an apparent salvage operation from his yard and had filled it with visible piles of junk (all of which our zoning laws prohibited), I would have been very worried about his impact on the property values of everyone on my street, both for their sakes and for mine, since the values of our houses would sink or swim together.

    On the other hand, even if you personally don't care about the resale value of your property, I hope you'll understand that most people do care about theirs. For most Americans, their home is their biggest investment, and a lot of them work very hard to pay for it. Most homebuyers take on a large debt obligation, so their costs include substantial mortgage interest payments (less tax deductions). As a result, if the value of their property decreases -- or just doesn't increase enough over time to make up for those costs -- they will lose some of their hard-earned money when they sell it. By the way, if you have a mortgage, this includes you. Even if a homeowner doesn't have to sell his house today, a decrease in the appraised value of his property could have a negative impact on his ability to borrow money today.

    So when you say, "I am not causing anyone any harm at all by piling up junk," that's true only if your property has zero effect on the property values of your neighbors. That might be true for a small percentage of Americans, such as those who live in *remote* rural areas, although in most rural communities, property values do move together. But most Americans live in more densely populated communities in non-rural areas: 85% of us inhabit just 28% of the land in this country. This part of the population is also more mobile -- they buy and sell homes more frequently, which makes them sensitive to property values. Many of these people *would* cause harm to their nearby neighbors' property values if they did what you do. In a typical residential area, the visible presence of large amounts of "junk" in someone's yard doesn't just decrease the value of that property, it usually pulls down all other properties in its vicinity as well. Even if junkpiles don't bother some people, most of our society considers them unattractive and/or potentially dangerous due to the material itself and the rodents that might nest in the piles. Do you really believe that all those people are just "fragile" or "stuck-up"? They're the majority of the population -- they're *normal*. Nobody in his right mind would ever suggest "improving" a residential property by filling the yard with defunct appliances, dead machinery, and miscellaneous piles of junk. That's why zoning laws often prohibit processing or storing large quantities of waste in residential areas, and that's usually why neighbors complain if someone does it -- not because they have "so much time on [their] hands that [they] need to be concerned with whats sitting in [their] neighbors yard," but because they work hard to pay for their property and they don't want their neighbor's yard to erode its value. As you said, "if someone owns something then it is theirs, not yours." I agree, and if one persons's actions harm the value of things that other people own, then I think he is violating that principle.

    I think some of you feel that your neighbors are judging you or looking down on you if they say anything about the way you use your property. But there are lots of things that people don't want to see in residential areas. You can't put a factory in your yard or use it as a warehouse to store palettes of bricks, brand-new electronics, or anything else if it's residentially zoned. When people pay to live in a residential area, that means they don't want to live near a factory or a warehouse yard. If you filled your front yard with palettes of gold bricks, I bet most people would call those an eyesore too, once they got tired of staring at them. Try it! ;-)

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