Gun powder and more

**parrothead** · 09-04-2014, 10:15 PM

You won't see then do a head on attack. Think biological, chemical or radioactive. It really is their only option to make a dent. Meanwhile, the holes in our border are very inviting to them. A small handful of terrorists infected with Ebola, could get across the border with ease. Steel a truck and head to Houston Hobby airport and touch and cough on as many people as they can get away with. BAM! 5 hours later and infected people are all over the country. This may sound a bit extreme, but if you had say 10 groups of a half a dozen ISIS members trying this, there will certainly be an effect.

Originally Posted by Copper Head

Sounds like once a month to just buy some .22 would be as good a investment as silver .

I think the USA is so massive in size and many Americans are armed
ISIS and the like ( our most recent threat ) can cause problems
but can't really take all citizens on

**parrothead** · 09-04-2014, 10:42 PM

I applaud you for trying to do right. Especially if you think a crime may have occurred from those items. To me, it would depend on the set and setting. If it has any look whatsoever like a crime scene or an evidence dump, I am going to call the law really quick. If it looks like a garage clean out or a foreclosure clean out or something along those lines, then it is going to be my found property.

As far as powder is concerned, hoarding really is not an option unless you can store it properly. I won't even guess at how long powder can be stored properly, but it for sure needs to be kept dry and cool for maximum life span. If one really wants to prepare for a SHTF scenario, they would be better off learning how to make powder rather than storing it. I have the recipe, but have never tried it. It's one of those things that I hope I have the right information to make it from scratch should that ever come about. I actually have a couple of different sources in my library, and they are both so close I think they will work. One is an army manual and the other is "The anarchist's cookbook". Find a copy if you are into that thing. Good info to have. (An e-bay search will mostly give you results for some DVD, not the book).

Originally Posted by Copper Head

Back when I first started I used to casually find loaded shot gun shell bullets plenty of times
I was a good little citizen and turn them into the police . Some of the police that see me curb hunt
know i'm the one that turns in bullets . Once I turned in sheriff issued items that they kept for that reason

Well a recent find is some 22 caliber copper - 2 small cans of gun powder & 8 packages of winchester shot gun cartridges starters
so I started to wonder the police or hoard away as if it were silver . The SHTF scenario the value is clear
even though I feel SHTF is a long shot but who knows any more with what is going on in the world.

I also found a 22 rifle that loads 1 at a time but it needs a stock other wise it looks functional . Just for the record guns laws in PA
are easy going . Pistols are legal along with a No Flee from property law .Lots of hunters Guns a plenty.

**SteelMill** · 09-04-2014, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by parrothead

You won't see then do a head on attack. Think biological, chemical or radioactive. It really is their only option to make a dent. Meanwhile, the holes in our border are very inviting to them. A small handful of terrorists infected with Ebola, could get across the border with ease. Steel a truck and head to Houston Hobby airport and touch and cough on as many people as they can get away with. BAM! 5 hours later and infected people are all over the country. This may sound a bit extreme, but if you had say 10 groups of a half a dozen ISIS members trying this, there will certainly be an effect.

The thing about Ebola is that it hasn't affected Americans on anything close to a large scale. I can guarantee you that if Ebola were to start affecting Americans, a major effort to find a vaccine or cure would be put underway purely because the large corporations would begin seeing large dollar signs.

**Scrappah** · 09-05-2014, 07:31 AM

I had some time yesterday so i dug into the whole shortage of .22 ammo thing. The most likely reasons for it are:

1: A lot of people are afraid. There was the Y2K scare. Next came the 2012 end of the world thing. The economy isn't doing as well as it could be. The news media is going from crisis to crisis to keep people watching.

2: Ammo production has remained constant. Pre-paranoia ... it was about in balance with demand. It was being replaced as it was being used.

3: Because people are afraid they're putting it into storage. ( hoarding )

4: There's money to be made on re-sale. When the ammo comes available at Wal-Mart they're buying it up at 30 - 35.00 $ a brick and then re-selling at 80.00$/brick because there's a perceived "shortage". People that want to hoard are panic buying.

~ It's most likely just a temporary thing. If people would calm down the problem would clear up. ~

**Soobthang** · 09-08-2014, 04:20 PM

I love the dubba deuce. I own three rifles, two of them are antique Western Field made by Mossberg. The other a Marlin 795, better than a Ruger 10/22 in my opinion. There's a pawn shop I frequent, they usually have boxes of 22 and other cartriges for sale. They also have a couple of darringers for sale, one in 22lr the other 22 magnum.

**DakotaRog** · 09-08-2014, 10:11 PM

Scrappah- I agree with almost all of your analysis except the "temporary" thing. I've heard that now for over 2 years (this is now the 3rd hunting season wit spotty .22 availability). It might be temporary in the long run but its still a continued "this sucks" at the present. Of course, if I really was concerned, I'd prowl around the net and find the best buys I could but right now I'm path of least resistance Wally-World occasional buyer (still have plenty of hollow points to fetch a couple seasons of small meat critters).

Here's a more localized situation. In a state that prides itself in hunting, the largest city of 170K (metro area a quarter of a million), there are basically 2 big stores (and there's a fewer smaller places like WW). My bro's friend has a FFL and runs a little gun operation out of there but you wouldn't believe the arrogance of the gun guys in those big stores. Its truly sad from my younger days when there a good number of smaller shops around and a guy didn't feel like he was scum unless he has Uncle Bens falling out of his pocket every few seconds or so. Same thing with the pheasant hunting in this state. You want good land to access, you better be peeling off a good number of the C notes and fast...

**Sirscrapalot** · 09-08-2014, 10:25 PM

This targets non-smoking powder...but from my research it seems one would store old school powder the same. Cool an dry spot, sealed up, can last a lifetime.

The link I'm putting relates the same as I just put above for the most part. Hope it helps some of you.
Alliant Powder - Storage & Handling

An Dakota..forgive me for asking as I do buy my stuff locally but can you order your ammo online from Wal-mart? Might help you with that whole shortage thing. We usually have a good stock of the stuff at my local Wal-Mart but i'm also on a sandbar, so not like I got a ton of people doing a run on ammo.

Back to your regularly scheduled conversation on gun powder an things that go bang bang bang!

Sirscrapalot - For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. - Thomas Jefferson

**DakotaRog** · 09-09-2014, 12:48 AM

I haven't checked on WM's catalog type of ordering. I know my kid has gotten air soft guns and such that way. I'm sure I could go down to one of the 2 main gun stores in the next door city and get on a waiting list and get my "quota". And I still have workable normal times of .22 ammo right now. My whine is just that its no longer business as usual like when you and I grew up, walked into a gun store, buy basically anything you like (if you had the money), and walk out again. That's my only real point to be made...