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    Contemplation Time

    As I watch prices drop on paper , I have an emotional response - Is the game over ? Is that secure feeling over ? Will prices rebound ?
    Do I even want them to rebound ? I like putting $5 in my truck and driving further .
    Then I sell off a load & I am paid $92 bucks and I think thats not bad , sure 6 - 8 months ago that would of been $150 but $92 is fine .
    So the emotional response is not factual for me . See I always paced my self in the scrap biz . I never pushed it's full potential . I dare say
    I save more scrap then sell or keep equal stock . more or less .
    Since each week $200 $300 or $400 is my goal . Price fluctuation is conquerable . If It keeps dropping eventually I'll see a bottom line
    for me . .2 for mix is about it & naturally how long it takes to retrieve it to truck .
    Lets say future prices go
    Mix @ .2
    AL @ .30
    CU @ 1.00
    A trip in a normal size pickup or van could still make $100 .
    Scrappers that dismantle will be able to ride out the low tide cause we pull the most from what we have .
    Scrappers who sell tons of scrap at a time will manage also
    But particular the scrapper who sells just mix for .10 or .08 and no desire to dismantle ,those types will disappear
    & more scrap will be there for the bulk scrapper and dismantle type .
    Brace your self readjustment is on it's way.
    Best of all the so so scrapper will laugh when they see us pick up a fridge & say I used to do that ,why bother dude .
    I'll say yep your smart to get out of the game , as I drive to the Bank .

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    Might as well put this out there
    Question ??
    Do we need high price on crude to have high price on metals
    wile I have thus seen it synonymous I think it's possible to have
    metals stay low and crude go up once more.

    The cost of carting metals from yards to the docks do have a cost in fuel
    but the connection must go deeper then that ,
    or the true separation - Commodities use vs Commodities investor - may finally prove it self

    We have been convinced as fuel $$ goes up - cost of food goes up with the assumption
    more cost to ship ( freight ) (sounds logical ) yet as we see food has not gone down .


    If investors have in the past driven prices up & investors took a big hit like 50% we may see that it might be some time till confidence
    for the futures market rebuilds for now we can wait and see if true economic industrial production rebuilds Our scrap pay out .

    I did sell 500 # mix for $24 bucks the other day. The CU Brass and CU Bearing was what really took me over $100
    Unfortunately relying on CU Brass and CU Bearing AL and such will not be in sufficient abundance to compensate
    for the disparage .

    I use my wifes job as a reference to when I started to scrap , she is going on 8 years so I must be in at the 7.5 year mark
    so after all these years I see the potential of a deficit on my CU Brass AL and others if I continue to use them to compensate
    for steels lack of pay out .
    So for me I need figure did I hoard the good stuff for these hard times or the proverbial boom of CU and the others we thought might go up
    some day.
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    I think the market for just about anything, especially commodities that are future traded as well as bought and sold daily, are so distorted that's its just about impossible to tell what real supply and demand mean. Take milk in the U.S. as an example. I read a book last year that was written when dairy farmers were coming off of one of the many busts in the market. I don't think this book is overtly political other than the big guys get bigger and rig the system even more because of their influence (money) to grease the system. I knew the diarying was messed up but didn't realize how badly until I read this book. Very depressing. Probably only some more niche market is where a real supply and demand could flourish but for how long before bigger deep pockets get involved. Don't get me wrong, I believe in capitalism but when the big companies are in bed with the government (with the gov picking the winners) its called Fascism. The big German industrialists made a lot of money re-arming Hitler and his followers and maybe some of them got their wealth out to Switzerland or Sweden as the walls collapsed in around them. Funny how the ultra-wealthy that are often trans-national in allegiance never have to take too many bites of the s*** sandwich. I trust very few people of such "influence"...

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    OPINION: price of crude is based on a deal between
    Saudi and the west to apply pressure on Russia and has little to do with the price of other commodities.

    Russia's only world commodity is natural gas and oil.

    steel prices are based on a world economy which is in the tank.

    Capitalism is one thing, Chorine Capitalism is another.

    Yes the game is rigged, in my humble opinion.

    do some interesting research and see where all those Fashests and Nazis went after the war.

    start with the search words, Operation paper clip.
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    I've got the book by annie jacobsen about operation paperclip. The mere IDEA of such an undertaking in today's society would be shunned by the hipsters and socialites, nevermind the actual truth to it.

    Unfortunately...we are a little late to subjugate Russia so handily. They've developed ties with China that ten years ago they never had. They've been exploring and drilling oil wells and natural gas in Siberia for better than ten years. They are mining now when they haven't been for decades. Yes it hurts to be shunned but the effect may not be as felt as we think.

    And frankly, while I totally agree with you old dude, if anything the Saudis have been more damaging to us than Russia. They have financed our enemies in one way or another through paths of trails of back channels through governments for more than a decade. We forget it was a SAUDI prince who gave men money to blow up a US Navel Warship. It has been an effort between the Kingdom (Thats what I call Saudi Arabia) and China to push us down a path of dollar liquidity, handing over resources so we could be handed our own debt. Freakin' amazing. Only...China couldn't last, you can only use construction as an excuse for growth for so long before you either go solvent or admit defeat. They chose the latter.

    And while I'm on about it I might as well reinforce what I believe could happen. We could be looking at a new manufacturing revolution. With low energy prices, high materials supply and a low labor cost climate mixed with people who want to live good, eat well and work hard, coupled with China losing their footing...even temporarily and we could have a tangible industry all over again right here in America.
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