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    Horizontal monopoly developing I think not . If the market is strong he pays if soft he pays less
    He really is the only game here and pays better then other parts of the USA .



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    Metallico stock at $0.76/share in case anyone is curious. Wife's mothers boyfriend works in stocks and securities and had him look it up. Says Adam made out like a bandit.

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    I don't know the area. But, my only fear on a monopoly would be if he consumed almost everyone, and could keep prices low.

    Not too likely, but you never know. Since one of our two yards closed, the other dropped the price of steel a lot... almost instantly.

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    Yeah I mean if Upstate's prices stayed where they are or go up, I don't see having a Weitsman yard in every town or city as a bad thing. I suppose if you're making thousands and you throw enough money at something, you can do almost anything.

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    I think I'm lucky as my first yard for scrapping was Weissman's , Then it became clear there really were not any other choices except Greenblotts ( southeastern upstate NY )
    Owego and Binghamton NY . There are some others but there prices are lower and for my territory area of finding why drive further to get less.

    Considering Weissman's has the monopoly his price seems to favor the seller compared to others yards in area , even the rest of the country . For me thats surprising as I was born in the City suburbs and upstate over all is just more country living , yet for scrap selling this is the place to be & you can find it . The police don't mess with you even with a truck from Hell .
    The main thing I'm saying is if Weissman's has a monopoly you need not concern ,
    he pays cause he wants you to stay inspired to keep bringing in product . It's a family
    and your in it & it's up to you to figure a way to get rich .
    Some times I chase a few pennies more elsewhere but over all 99% goes to them
    It's a game one yards pays a touch more for copper bearing other more on mix
    you think you have a gain on this and realize you lost on that . So over all
    Weissman's is the winner .
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    I think there is a factor one must not forget scrap yards need product . If we can't make money we find other types work . Small 1000 / 2000 pound to 12,000 pound scrappers are very important we are like an army
    day in day out - finding demo work going going never quiting . Do the math one by one we equal more then you realize . We are very important .
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    So what's the deal? Metalico selling to a Chinese company at $.60 / share?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampy View Post
    So what's the deal? Metalico selling to a Chinese company at $.60 / share?
    That is the current offer (also included is paying off metalico's debt, not to mention a 3 year contract for carlos valued at over $1.3 million) that has been accepted by the Board of Directors (Carlos included).

    In my opinion, Carlos has done nothing but screw the shareholders. I'll explain in a minute, but first let me say that I'm not going to pass judgement here about wether any or all of the offers were adequate. That is for individual shareholders to determine.

    Now, here is where Carlos got the vasaline out for everyone. Adam Weitsman's (AW) first offer was $0.78 per share. There were roughly 58 million shares outstanding. This was roughly a $45.25 million dollar offer (plus assume debt). Most likely no job for Carlos. Carlos ignores the offer, hires Gordian at a cost of 1 million shares, issues another 14 million shares, which dilutes everyone's shares. There are know 73 million shares outstanding. In addition, Metalico passes out the posion pill, which effectively doesn't allow AW to aquire more than 15% of the company and takes away shareholders rights to call a special shareholder meeting and remove or appoint anyone to the board. This leaves all control with the current board of directors. Metalico does not respond to AW's offer and has another bad quarter, losing millions. AW lowers his offer. Carlos and crew accept offer from Chinese company at 60 cents per share. This is roughly a $44 million dollar offer (plus assumed debt). Now add in Carlos's 3 year contract at $1.3 million and we have AW's original offer. The only ones making any money here is Carlos. Shareholders lost over 20% from AW's offer. Now AW doesn't totally loss out, he stands to make $1 million on his shares if the offer goes thru, but then will have the Chinese company as competion, which should be a little stiffer than Carlos and crew. In my opinion, Carlos would have done anything to avoid selling to AW.
    The thing to remember is "It ain't over until the fat lady sings." Sale has to be approved by a majority of the shareholders at a yet to be schedule shareholder meeting. In addition, there are about 8 law firms investigating the Metalico Board for not fullfilling their fiduciary obligations and accepting an offer that was too low (1 wall street analyst apparently put a 1 year price target of $1.00, which ain't going to happen with Carlos at the helm).

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    Oh! I like gummy bears and pop and have been a big fan of Metallica since 1980.

    Sorry couldn't resist. Going to the garage now to sort some circuit boards.


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