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With alot of us escrapers generating lots of plastic, I would think there would be a way to process it ourselves so we don't loose money paying for it(kind of like the shopping bag press where stuff is melted instead of burnt). Problem is what to do with it or where to sell it once it's been processed. I personally have set myself up as an end of life escrapper meaning everything that comes in to me gets taken down to the component and then sold while the boards are shredded(except for outstanding consignments) and in a way i'm hoarding components until they sell. I've gone with this business model because I have the space for it, the equipment, and prices on what I intake aren't the greatest.

that's me and my 0.02

almost every plastic is reuseable...SOME just not cost effective. Even ABS (a pretty difficult to recycle plastic can be ground and formed into things like park benches and other items. The resale market is also not hugely profitable, so alot of places just only deal with the higher grade stuff, not that the other stuff can't be recycled, they just can't make nay money doing it.

OPINION: as I've said before nuthing much is going to happen till the world curencies settle . world reserve (trade dollars) weather they become won,dollars ,ameros or what ever will be backed by gold and silver maybe even copper when that happens which ever metals are the bace of the funding may go as high as 10,000 per oz depending on how much longer they let the printing presases run printing worthless debt notes right now some world banks are selling paper gold at a ratio of over100 to one against their actual gold holdings..401Ks and other bankster held accounts could become worthless over night. READ THE FINE PRINTon your banking financial contracts you know the print you need a 50x magnifyer to read along with banking regs passed over the past20 or so years and you will suddenly realise I'm right as soon as your so called money hits the bank YOU NO LONGER CONTROL IT, THE BANK DOES AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO YOU.

China copied us in every way and are done as a world financial power as soon as some one like Turkey or India calls their bluff.

Theres quite a bit of info on the net about turning plastic into fuel.
Theres actually websites devoted to it, like 'Energic forum' 142+ pages of discussion and actual expriments and experiences.

How to turn plastic waste into diesel fuel cheaply - Page 143 - Energetic Forum

I have tried it on a small experimental scale. It works.
My condensor was too small and didn't work well (hell it was just a steel tube 4 foot long...nothing fancy)

And as I was using plastic coated wire as a source of plastic, its got sulphur and other stuff in it and it gave off a sickly smelling sulphur smell.
Hydrogen sulphide?
Well thats what it smelt like, at the start, and then it went away a bit, and when I went for a short distance walk and came back, the smell was worse, which to me indicates Hydrogen sulphide.

Now I have found out I can neutralise it by bubbling the exiting gas into water with baking soda in it.
Thats a easy solution (sic) to a overpowering (sic2) problem.

But yeah, you can get 2Lbs of fuel from a Kg of plastic.... ;- { >

And, depending on the plastic you put in it, you get clean petrol fuel from it. Or a waxy Diesol, which can be reconverted @ 50% per run into petrol/diesol.

This is my NewYears experimental goal. Petrol costs NZ$1.95 a litre here. I think thats US$5.25 a gallon.
They, on the website, has worked out the fuel costs about US$0.40cents a gallon.. It makes 10 gallons a day in a simple setup.

Its a shame that we (everyone) does not convert this plastic to fuel, its a win-win-win situation. Well one day I think we will.

We should be hoarding Plastic and Steel for the future.

Originally Posted by matador

I think about 2/3 of this forum is filled with people named Mike!

Well, since this thread has gone off topic I thought I'd mention something about common names. When I was younger just about everyone was named Bill. On the job, in my family, and even in social situations if someone called out "Bill!" about ten people would respond. So I started calling myself Billy in an attempt to remedy that situation. I didn't really like it at first, but it's grown on me.

Hoarding is not business conscientious. It never has been. In my state and most others, you have an inventory tax...so legally speaking you shouldn't hoard. Still, there should not be a tie to gambling and investing. Investing suggests you have a much clearer idea of the outcome so as to make it a favorable endeavor with some risk. Gambling is to place nothing but risk on your stack of money. Hoarding essentially is gambling that a later price (in an era of heavy inflation) will outweigh what you paid for it after accounting for inflation and the length of time you were unable to utilize the liquid asset. But you fail to realize that most commodities have LOST ground to currency on a longer timeline. Gold might have seen a brief speculative increase...and I can't say that even outweighed overall inflation for the last 60 years...I very much doubt it.

In this business, when we hoard we are taking X out of our ability to purchase more Y, thus reducing Y by quantity of X, making the net result Z, even more insignificant. And if we recycle Z to acquire more Y, you can see how this becomes an exponent much faster than hoarding it to get more out of your X could make up for. So before you hoard even on a personal scale think about what scrap you can buy with that material if you sell it now.

It gets even trickier when you should take a slight loss to continue to have cash flow so you have greater gains later on.

Holding onto material can be a gamble, but on the small scale, it's not much of one. Let's say that I'm holding onto 20 pounds of RAM. If I sell at a price that's $2 per pound less than it is now, that would be a loss of $40. That's not really a lot.

Now, it is true that 20 pounds of RAM at $11 per pound is $220. If you need that, you should sell. If you don't, it's worth keeping, if only due to the fact that fitting another 15# into the box will negate the losses per pound due to the need of shipping a second box later on.

If I had enough RAM that I could put two gaylords in the back of the Dodge, I'd sell. But, for 20#, the minimal gains are worth "gambling" over- at least for me.

Way I see it is this:
If I paid $100 for a lot of computer items
I hoard the RAM and CPU Ceramics for later

Scrap out/Part out the Rest of my items and make say $300
I have profited $200 Already.. and my "Hoard" Items are Gravy. If I chose to take the "chance" with prices of those mentioned items, tis my choice and my business.

Always is YOUR business and choosing how YOU want to run it! Right?

inflation from 1980 to now is utterly shameful. Dollar only inflation brings the figure to $14.43 from $5. 188% increase

Not alot to consider but...wait theres more.

Average rent amount according to the U.S. census in 1980 was $308. Today it is $1314, a 327% increase

Average cost of food increase almost 650% from 1980 to today.

These are the two main expenses in a household, and both have gone up in excess of inflation. In fact since we are on the subject of scrap specifically I came up with a formula.

Hoard=H

If H=Vt with t being as follows t=inflation rate multiplied by cost of living adjustment multiplied by years V is your value. So... it would be practiced like this: V is always current value based as a commodity.

Let's throw memory under the bus. Let's call it H is 100lbs at 12 a pound, today. So.... if you SOLD today net result 1200 bucks. But, if you hold for three years at 5% inflation rate and 3 % Cost of living adjustment

year 1 you need 1297.80 to break even on your hoard you could have sold at 1200. (Mind you this is worst case scenario circa 2008-2010)

year 2 you need much more 1399.20...

year 3 you get the point, this compounds ever year...and suddenly seeing this in text you realize why even though you get paid more than you did five years ago you feel like you make less money. Can you imagine if gas prices suddenly went back up? We'd all be flat broke.

having done clean outs over and over again it's...repetitive. Hoarding imho is an old hat way of thinking that no longer works in a severely inflative economy that LOOSELY bases its markets on any commodity at all.

I also wanted to state that cars today as MUCH more valuable in scrap based on the wiring, aluminum, circuit boards, high strength steel unibodies (using better materials) the bronze, high speed bearings, cats, pre cats, oxygen sensors, heck the PCM by itself today is more valuable to resell than the scrap value of the car (at these prices). Compare a car from 1980 at today's inflated prices, you really are not that far off from a 5 dollar shell...not far at all. ((I know its apples and oranges...but just saying))