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    I know during the last boom of $275 a GT some time ago many of us recyclers would comment on realities that we were selling off some of the best quality steel from items of the 70's 80's 90's low years 2000 and the metals coming back in products were not the same quality .We all just hoped that yes our gathering and selling was to be a continual circle of scrap out & new in ,
    it became clear , more plastic use , I noticed old washing machines with gear box's became just a motor and belt.
    Other then that You can absolutely be sure a percent of our sold overseas metal products do end up for military use. I would not beat your self up over it , humans hope for good & optimistically push on for good .But weapons are built , detestation unknown

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    Cash for clunkers sent the cars our kids could afford and all that metal to China. Our country is currently engaged in redistributing our wealth around the world. Undermining our country is cool right now. You are just one guy. Nobody cares.
    I have a mess of scrap piles
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    it looks ugly .
    But if I push and push one day it will be gone
    can the same be said for us .
    One worker at the scrap yard always kept saying
    America is selling off - Lock - Stock and Barrel .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperHeadAKA View Post
    America is selling off - Lock - Stock and Barrel .
    And who do you think the autioneer is.

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    Interesting story:

    How does China's first aircraft carrier stack up? | China Power Project

    Not sure that i would want to go to war with a boat stamped " Made in China " but this accomplishment was a point of national pride for them a few years ago.

    It took lots and lots of steel to build it. Where did the main hull originate from ? Maybe not what one might think ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrappah View Post
    [...] Not sure that i would want to go to war with a boat stamped " Made in China " [...]
    If they can quickly, and cheaply mass produce "battle boats", China could win a sea war just by shear numbers of ships.

    If I remember correctly, the US mass produced Sherman tanks to make up for large losses the much better Panzers and Panther tanks were inflicting.

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    Honestly .... it's hard to say for sure. My dad served in WW2. Had a nice comfortable job in Fort Knox training men to operate the Sherman tanks. One day he got on the wrong side of the brass. A few days later they cut his orders and sent him straight into the battle of the bulge as a corporal in charge of one of those tanks. It was a pretty miserable experience and he was lucky to have survived.

    Got back home and went to technical college on the G.I. bill.

    He spent his whole adult working life working for a well known defense contractor building high tech stuff that nobody talks about very much. They were working with some pretty exotic materials during the Vietnam era. (Gawd only knows what they're working with today.)

    Back in WW2 it was about using overwhelming numbers and dumb brute force. They would fly a wave of 100 bombers over to Germany, drop a **** ton of bombs on a target, and still miss half of the time. They took some terrible losses and supplied the enemy with plenty of metal to salvage as the planes were shot down.

    Nowadays it's about the precise use of applied force. One cruise missile can take out a specific target from a safe distance off shore.

    My guess would be that it's brains over brawn. The side with the best tactics and technology is the one more likely to win the battle.

    The Germans had some awesome technology but their leader was a crazy man all hopped up on drugs. His tactical judgement was terrible. That's the more likely reason for why they lost the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrappah View Post
    Honestly .... it's hard to say for sure. My dad served in WW2. Had a nice comfortable job in Fort Knox training men to operate the Sherman tanks. One day he got on the wrong side of the brass. A few days later they cut his orders and sent him straight into the battle of the bulge as a corporal in charge of one of those tanks. It was a pretty miserable experience and he was lucky to have survived.

    Got back home and went to technical college on the G.I. bill.

    He spent his whole adult working life working for a well known defense contractor building high tech stuff that nobody talks about very much. They were working with some pretty exotic materials during the Vietnam era. (Gawd only knows what they're working with today.)

    Back in WW2 it was about using overwhelming numbers and dumb brute force. They would fly a wave of 100 bombers over to Germany, drop a **** ton of bombs on a target, and still miss half of the time. They took some terrible losses and supplied the enemy with plenty of metal to salvage as the planes were shot down.

    Nowadays it's about the precise use of applied force. One cruise missile can take out a specific target from a safe distance off shore.

    My guess would be that it's brains over brawn. The side with the best tactics and technology is the one more likely to win the battle.

    The Germans had some awesome technology but their leader was a crazy man all hopped up on drugs. His tactical judgement was terrible. That's the more likely reason for why they lost the war.
    Syphilus combined with a drug coctail a very common malady amoung high ranking officials.

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