Another auction find - International 4200

Bought this a few weeks ago. They were taking sealed bids and I had a few bucks in my pocket. I offered $550 not expecting to win. I did. Total was $612.15. Auction house has changed how payments and invoices are paid and dispatched, but I finally got through all the hoops and went to grab it today.

Actually I tried yesterday, but I got there and my mount plate wouldn’t work. Up until now it's been a good setup. I've towed around 10 vehicles with it, but this one is largest by far. All it is is a piece of large C channel with a receiver tube welded to it, that I put a 2” stinger in. Then I use 2 truck straps to fasten it to the bumper. Left in defeat and went home to make the plate larger.

Tow bar is a 2” receiver tube, pinned to accept a coupler on both ends.



I showed up and of course the battery is dead. Which apparently it has to be on/running to put it into neutral? Pressing brake didn’t get it out of park. Who knows. I am not familiar with these trucks. But I knew I would be dropping the drive shaft as it was sold as a non runner. Broke a ratchet, but I finally got the bolts out of the U joint and dropped the shaft.

Hooked up , stuck the battery powered flashers on and made the 20 some mile trek on the back roads.

It’s an ’05 International 4200 with a lift gate. Seller claims oil in coolant and bad fuel pump, so I was prepared to have to tow it. Now onward to the headache of removing the graphics per Frito Lay so they’ll release title. I started and it’s a huge pain, so I may see if they’ll let me get away with blacking out identifying marks with paint.

Anyone work on these? Has 159k. What is the likely scenario I am dealing with? “Easy” fix? Total rebuild? Somewhere in the middle?

I had a car run over 40,000 miles with oil in the coolant - it died a horrible death when it threw a rod out the block.
The engine probably needs rebuilt with all new gaskets and seals ( not cheap on that truck ) . May have damaged pistons and related parts from the leak.

The "van" and lift gate are worth about $3,800 ( if the gate works ), cab is worth about $4,400, transmission about $1,200, rear axle around $800 ( LINK )

It is diesel, VT365. According to wiki it's the same engine used in Ford. The "tow" truck has the 6.0. I like it so far.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navistar_VT_engine

Unsure on gears. I am guessing it's 5 speed.

If that's an automatic, it's an Allison and would have 5 or 6 speeds depending on year.

As far as the engine issue, I have nothing positive to say about the Navistar V8's made after the 7.3 so I'll leave it at that.

Originally Posted by EDC76

If that's an automatic, it's an Allison and would have 5 or 6 speeds depending on year.

As far as the engine issue, I have nothing positive to say about the Navistar V8's made after the 7.3 so I'll leave it at that.

It's automatic.

I wish it had the 7.3!

Originally Posted by RLS0812

I had a car run over 40,000 miles with oil in the coolant - it died a horrible death when it threw a rod out the block.
The engine probably needs rebuilt with all new gaskets and seals ( not cheap on that truck ) . May have damaged pistons and related parts from the leak.

The "van" and lift gate are worth about $3,800 ( if the gate works ), cab is worth about $4,400, transmission about $1,200, rear axle around $800 ( LINK )

Thanks for the link. I wonder if they're really getting those prices. If so, parting out may be an avenue I should look at.

Gate doesn't work. Battery is charged. I will tinker on it some more today and see what's going on.

It has 2 tires that look new. The rest are decent. Probably some value there.

I am pondering keeping the box for storage and sell/scrap the rest.

Originally Posted by IdahoScrapper

Gate doesn't work. Battery is charged. I will tinker on it some more today and see what's going on.

There may be a cutoff switch in the cab for it, or it may only work when it sees 13+ volts (the engine is running).

Originally Posted by EDC76

There may be a cutoff switch in the cab for it, or it may only work when it sees 13+ volts (the engine is running).

There's a switch on the side of the pump box. Flipping it either way doesn't do anything. Tester shows no power on either terminal. I do have power at the pump solenoids though. Jumper wire got the lift going.

Truck started after a bit. Sounded awful so I shut it down. Sounded almost like a steering pump whine. Anyone have thoughts on that?

Wow! Nice score. It would seem that you have cash in the bank. Where did you find it? Best of luck.

Originally Posted by Patriot76

Congratulations. I assume it is a diesel and if so, how many gears? Great deal for the money. Running the chain through a pipe serves two purposes, one to keep it from whip lashing into the back of the two vehicle and allows more control.

It's a a receiver tube with 2" couplers on both ends. It's stupid heavy but it works. Great control.

Here's a better look.

When I needed to tow this I burned a hole in the bucket and put a ball on there.

Originally Posted by t00nces2

Wow! Nice score. It would seem that you have cash in the bank. Where did you find it? Best of luck.

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Beautiful. naturally im wondering where are these auctions and how do i find them in my arear

Wait... this IS a scrapping website ain't it??? LOL You found a winner no matter what you do with it. Good for you. Keep the reports coming!!!

I did the checks like armygreywolf advised. Oil at drain is clean. Radiator is empty/oily.

I then decided to let a shop take over. I had them diagnose it. Came back as bad fuel pump and faulty/bad FICM. He wants $2,500 to 3k for the FICM. With total being around $5,000. I declined. Going to do some more research on what’s involved. I see on the diesel forums a few shops that repair them for $200 to $500.

I asked if he thought cooler was blown. He didn't investigate any further after finding the FICM issue. I am fairly confident this shop actually knows what it is talking about, but I can't afford to have them repair it.

I am confused on why it started at one point and now it won’t.

Oh well. Gives me something to tinker on.