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    Any store that sells clothes does not like returns. That simply is not true, and never has been. Even housewares is iffy. After 3 months clothes can not be sold again, even if unworn.. The style is gone. When I worked retail, we gave refunds for items that were old and returned because we were tired of listening to entitled customers whine until they got their way.

    One must not always accept "that's the way it is" for the correct way. It's been discussed that the saying "The customer is always right" isn't true.

    What happened to people getting shamed for doing immoral things? Have we lost all sense of decency?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    Any store that sells clothes does not like returns. That simply is not true, and never has been. Even housewares is iffy. After 3 months clothes can not be sold again, even if unworn.. The style is gone. When I worked retail, we gave refunds for items that were old and returned because we were tired of listening to entitled customers whine until they got their way.

    One must not always accept "that's the way it is" for the correct way. It's been discussed that the saying "The customer is always right" isn't true.

    What happened to people getting shamed for doing immoral things? Have we lost all sense of decency?

    Consider this situation:

    I am kohls.

    I buy a shirt wholesale for $2, I sell that shirt for $20. I sell it to someone. Make $18 that I can use to grow my business now, or earn interest on, etc.

    My customers knows that I will accept pretty much anything as a return. Because of this, a customer buys a shirt they might not have bought otherwise because they are SURE that they can return it if they don't end up liking it....
    That ALONE is worth it for them, if this allows them to make 10 sales that they otherwise would not have made, even if half return it, they still come out ahead.

    10 sales, cost of goods = $20,
    profit from initial sales = $180.
    If half return it and they have to refund $100 back, they have still made $80 profit and have 5 returned shirts they can throw out or donate and write off as a loss/donation (or 5 more shirts to throw into the pile of shirts that didnt sell that they write off every month, but at least with these 5 that were returned they got SOME use, and the company got $18 to hold and use and gain interest on in the interim, kinda like a loan)

    Contrast that to if they had a strict return policy and the 10 people didnt buy the shirt, because they were not sure if they liked it and didnt know if they could return it easily, then the store makes $0 and may end up throwing the shirts out anyways since they didnt sell, and then they are losing money.

    There is some non-zero number of people who would not buy something if they don't think they can return it or if they think it will be a fight/hassle to return it. Kohls knows this, and knows their numbers behind it, and knows that they come out ahead accepting the returns.

    At a ma and pop store where everything is custom made obviously I agree with you, but with large stores with large inventory, it's all churn and burn and a big math game, and they factor returns and their return policy into it. This guys said he returned to a big box store I think, they know what they are doing, and can make their own choices about return policy.


    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    What happened to people getting shamed for doing immoral things?
    Immoral is subjective. This doesn't seem immoral to me and plenty of other people. Perhaps if this guy didnt return the yard sale items they would have been wasted and gone into a landfill if it didnt sell at the yard sale and just got thrown out. Perhaps he returned it and the store resold it and it gets to live on and get more use, you don't know.


    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    Have we lost all sense of decency?
    I think we have, but that has nothing to do with this post.


    Edit: just as a disclaimer, I don't actually care about this either way. Is buying something with the sole purpose being to return it and exploit the company be something I would do, probably not, but maybe. I just like arguing on the internet.
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    RETAILThat sweater you don’t like is a trillion-dollar problem for retailers. These companies want to fix it

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/growing-online-sales-means-more-returns-and-trash-for-landfills.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by kss View Post
    Consider this situation.
    No thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    RETAILThat sweater you don’t like is a trillion-dollar problem for retailers. These companies want to fix it

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/grow...landfills.html

    Apples and oranges. Online returns are different. Online orders are definitely still something people still like to be able to return easily, and plays a big part in purchasing decisions for a lot of people.

    He would not have been able to make this yard sale return via online as online returns require a paper trail.

    All Im saying is I do not think this guys is the criminal some were accusing him of being, and that the onus is on retailers to decide what and how they take returns. If they don't want returns they have every right to say all sales are final, deal with it or shop elsewhere, or even "all returns must be accompanied by a receipt", which would have prevented this yard sale return. Why do you think the place he returned it allowed him to, with no receipt? They have no obligation to, but did anyways. Which means it was in their best interest to, otherwise they simply would not have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJinLV View Post
    No thanks


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    Quote Originally Posted by kss View Post
    Apples and oranges. Online returns are different. Online orders are definitely still something people still like to be able to return easily, and plays a big part in purchasing decisions for a lot of people.

    He would not have been able to make this yard sale return via online as online returns require a paper trail.

    All Im saying is I do not think this guys is the criminal some were accusing him of being, and that the onus is on retailers to decide what and how they take returns. If they don't want returns they have every right to say all sales are final, deal with it or shop elsewhere, or even "all returns must be accompanied by a receipt", which would have prevented this yard sale return. Why do you think the place he returned it allowed him to, with no receipt? They have no obligation to, but did anyways. Which means it was in their best interest to, otherwise they simply would not have.

    Guilty, t00nces2 premeditated the fraud by gleaning yard sales for items he could return to a store in his own words is an hours drive from his home. Then we're supposed to feel sorry for him because after making the two hour round trip he had purchased a hammer saw with out a case to store it in.

    IMO these are the actions of a petty thief with very poor social engineering skills which became evident with his stint as admin on his newly formed scrap back up forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    This really didn't help the issue we are currently discussing, Hills. Maybe some input on how retail really really hates people returning items?
    It was just a well intentioned attempt at a re-direct. The mood here at the board is kinda cranky lately.

    Money seems really important to Todd. Hey, if that's his thing ... all the more power to him. Have at it !

    Can tell ya that there's pretty good money in home repair these days. Don't know about Florida, but the guys around here are billing 35.00 - 50.00$/hr and taking a good markup on materials. You can make money hand over fist with a good client base of repeat customers. Play it the right way and there's no lack of work to be had. It's a good opportunity.

    So ... it's a choice. Maybe make up to 400.00$ / day -or- spend a bit of time & effort trying to shave a few bucks off the cost of a new reciprocal saw.

    If .... it's about making money and turning a profit that's one choice. If it's about shaving a few bucks off the cost of a thing just for the fun of it ... that's another choice.

    Both choices have their pro's and con's.

    It's like that with narcissism too .... though that's less of a choice and more of an affliction you are probably born with. It can drive you to do great things but it can also drive you ( and everyone else around you) to madness. You guys are being wicked abusive to one another right now. It's like drinking poison to kill your adversary. All that hate flying around .... guess who gets to feel it first. Anyhow ... it's your life and your choice. That which you put out there is that which will return to you in life.

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    This really didn't help the issue we are currently discussing, Hills. Maybe some input on how retail really really hates people returning items?

    Full article at Scrap Metal Forum: https://www.scrapmetalforum.com/day-...#ixzz6snnMCUc9

    Hills, if I recall you work a form of retail. What is your experience with people who return items?


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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    So, there I am in blue, and there is the $120 12 amp Dewalt with a reduced sticker... $106. I ask the blue guy where the case was and he told me there wasn't one... CRAP! I ask if they can do better, "well, okay. How about $96?". Unhook that bad boy and let's get hammersawing! It gets rung up and I toss the one credit down.... down to $60.. Ding ding. Toss the second, and the gal says, "you still owe $1.57."
    Todd using the Blue Store chits shows you have poor business acumen but on the other hand you've been able to demonstrate that you possess some creative ways to manage money so it would not come as a surprise to anyone should your home repair business fail a forensic audit.

    In regards to returning yard sale purchases to the Blue Store for credits, I believe that privilege belongs to the original purchaser the person who paid the sales tax.

    Regardless of the stores return policy, its the state and federal sales tax which would be considered a crime, your collecting the sales tax from a third party and using it for personal befit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    This really didn't help the issue we are currently discussing, Hills. Maybe some input on how retail really really hates people returning items?

    Full article at Scrap Metal Forum: https://www.scrapmetalforum.com/day-...#ixzz6snnMCUc9

    Hills, if I recall you work a form of retail. What is your experience with people who return items?

    In all honesty, it's not a major factor in this place. The folks here are pretty straightforward. The company i'm currently working for is/was into different retail things like grocery,fuel,pharmacy,hardware, auto repair,rentals and so on.

    To give you an example of that straightforwardness ... there have been a couple of times lately when one of the employees thoughtlessly left one of the fuel pumps on when closing up at night. The customers notice and call the boss to come down and shut the pump off. It's a pretty tight knit rural community where we tend to look after one another. The main thing here is don't break the trust and respect one another. The expectations of personal integrity are pretty high in this place. We do have our bad apples but they don't seem to do well nor do they generally last very long.

    Now i could tell you a few stories about the narcissists. There's one i work with every day and have known for over thirty years. That guy is always scheming, planning, plotting, playing the angles, exploiting, fault finding,degrading, and generally screwing everyone over ... any way he can. He's exceptionally good at his job but uncommonly difficult to manage. We understand it as being narcissistic personality disorder.

    That guy does returns as a way of life.

    Don't know as i can speak to the bigger picture of what's going on nationally. It's a pretty small world i live in.

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    As I see it, this whole board is here for us to help one another get the most from our efforts scrapping. I just posted a way to buy a rather expensive tool using alternative methods of income generation. I scrapped brand new items found at yard sales to the "yard" that would give me the best price. No sense letting those $$$'s just languish in my wallet, and I didn't have to pull the $120 from an source where the government steals money from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IamTheGreatest View Post
    You do realize his name is on the other website? And he's posted his name on here before with business name? We don't hve stalkers, we have rememberers. People always give away their own info.
    He has been removed from the other forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    If it offends you Todd delete it. I'll take $20.00 that you don't know how.
    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    We'll see who the idiot is, I'll bet $100.00 you forgot the password for the Admin account.
    By the way, alloy2, you owe me $120. I wonder if your moral compass covers welching on bets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post


    He has been removed from the other forum.





    By the way, alloy2, you owe me $120. I wonder if your moral compass covers welching on bets?
    You have not met the requirements of the bet and your math skills suck.

    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    If it offends you Todd delete it. I'll take $20.00 that you don't know how.
    Last edited by alloy2; 04-24-2021 at 11:52 AM.

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    I wasn't talking about Alloy being on the other site... I was talkind Toon and YOUR name.

    They say hacking is a game of social media.... and you just proved it. I don't understand how you just don't get it?

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    Perhaps Todd is showing signs of the early stages of dementia, he often gets things wrong.



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