"The cost is dependent on how much scrap the individual anticipates selling " How will that work???
"The cost is dependent on how much scrap the individual anticipates selling " How will that work???
I agree no way canada or mexico could keep up with obselete and prime scrap. the shipping costs to kansas city, saint louis, or memphis for a 65 gt rail car would cost as much as the scrap itself not feasable. Trust me peddlers account for less then five percent of the scrap flow which ain't much.
The only thing that would make them stop, is if they can't go a few days without cash. Most scrappers that I know of personally, leave a little cash (like petty cash) for those days, when there is no scrap to be had, or emergencies, etc.
I could understand the whole check thing, but even so, with most banks, if they know you, they will push the check through.
Only way a scrap yard can have a check have a hold on it, if they write a date for a few days into the week. Like if I went today and they wrote me a check, and post dated till Friday, I wouldn't be able to deposit till Friday.
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I can see where you are coming from, but for smaller scrappers that would drive them out of business. I know some that can't even make $100 a trip, because their trucks are so darn small. Only way, is if their trucks are full with copper or something.
Granted, would cut down on competition, but at the same time everyone deserves to make a living.
this is sick. Im going to P some of you off. but here is some common sence and realism. like the man says ya cant fix stupid, and no law is going to stop those that are un lawfull. all it is going to do is drive more honest people out of business, and a percentage of them will turn to what ever means necessary to feed their famil.ies, including outlawry.
have you learned nothing from the Patriot act. it has allowed them to molest yor 6 year old kids and feel up your wife "but that ok your safe." A 45 and a full clip is a better deterant then any law ever will be. as a side benifit it helps reduce the gene pool.
4000 new laws and regulations have passed in the last 3 years to add to the over 800,000 already on the books. ya feel any safer, ya doin any better. wake up get real its not about outlaws, it not about thieves. its not about beeg safe, it is about your freedom vs. control. any law only applies to who and what they want to apply it to and, it aint them.
check out how these laws apply to your benovalent benifactors in washington, or your state house and their friends and relitives before you decide ANY new law is produced to hel you. wake the F up.
Doesn't seem to me that all the post replies are worried about thieves. I think what most of them are worried about it what this forces the everyday good scrappers trying to make a living to do, jumping through hoops to make some money and possibly having to wait for that money. I need a license? Fine, I have no problem with that but I dang well better get paid in cash still and if they have to give me a check it better not have a hold on it because they have the material and I have something that could be no good tomorrow if that yard closed today after i left the building. And how would they know if the copper I turned in was stolen whether I had a license or not? It's not like copper is stamped like paper money is lol. That right there is the problem.
Oh, and if you notice, the guy in that pick is also illegally scrapping those grocery carts. Legally they belong ot whatever store they came from, my yard wont get any for us to use to unlodd stuff for this reason. methinks they aren't too smart to begin with.
Now, this part I quoted from that article, are they saying if I take a truck load of junk I picked up that they have to enter every broom stick and piece of fence or old shelves i toss in the bin? They really have time to do this in case that sump pump motor I brought in is claimed to be stolen? This is where I'm rolling my eyes. I toss in ten broom sticks and they have to enter those in a database? gimme a break.
• Requiring scrap yard operators to enter information on every item it receives into a national online database of stolen items called LeadsOnline. This would allow local police to search what the scrap yard has purchased online for items reported stolen.
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Huh. Thanks IS! I'm talking about (for me anyways) the copper I get from tearing down fans and vacuums and the odd pipe I pickup from redo's. Is that kind of stuff going to have a hold on it too? And the #2 that I turn in from snipping cords and wires out of stuff?
Your yard buys broomsticks, man they are screwed up,,,,lolI toss in ten broom sticks and they have to enter those in a database?
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I have an ABN (Australian Business Number) for business taxation purposes and I pay public liabilaty insurance ($900 per year). Most other scrappers claim they are hobby businesses (less than $3k per annum turn over) and do what ever they want.
I believe a licence system with set postcode (ZIP) territories should be set up by councils.
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No license needed here, yet. But we do get paid by check. I think they started this back around August of this year. Doesn't matter if it's $10 or $1000 you will get paid by check. So far it has not been a problem. Get paid, go to bank, cash or deposit the check. Clears every time. No hold on check.
The yards are required to hold all material for 10 days. That way the law can come check their inventory to find stolen items. Don't see how this could work though as the stuff is not separated daily. Todays stuff is mixed with yesterdays stuff which is mixed with day before yesterdays stuff, etc. You get the picture. So how would they tell what came in when? And that mountain of stuff is pretty darn huge. They'd have a real heck of a time going through it all to find that specific item.
All this was done as theft deterrents. It hasn't worked yet. But they have their law in place and it looks good to the voting public and they can brag about how they stopped metal/copper theft and get re-elected. All the laws and licenses and requirements are for them. For the politicians fame and fortune. That's what all this boils down to.
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It would still apply I think. Because you are either a buyer or a seller (or both) and there will be licensing on both ends. When you go to sell your metal in Cincinnati you will have to show a license whatever you call yourself or your business. The yard would have to have a license number in orfer to make the transaction. Otherwise, ithe law would be totally ineffective and it would be Crackhead, Inc. ( Crackhead Brothers, Inc. Crackhead Brothers and Sisters, Inc., Methmakers Enterprises etc.) all over the place.
The yards bring a lot of tax money into the city and I think that council may just succeed in running them out of town. It's not just the thieves that won't get a license - smaller scrap operations and individuals who only scrap occasionally may not bother - they might just go out of town to sell their scrap . Ky is across the river but they are working on superregulating copper sales. There are yards in the Ohio and Indiana burbs they are jjust a bit of a haul.
Last edited by Scrapette; 12-26-2011 at 10:44 AM.
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If liscensing was about education and safety as origionaly intended I wouldnt have much of a problem with it and in fact would agree with it in most cases. the problem is that permits and lisences no longer have much validity other then revenue generation protectionism, and control.
What is a license? When dealing with governments a law dictionary helps to understand the words.....government only exist on paper so, how can paper have more authority then a man or woman's own will?
Anyways....
Getting back to what is a license?
Black's Law dictionary says
1.The permission by competent authority to do an act which, without such permission, would be illegal, a trespass, or a tort.
2.Permission to do a particular thing.
3.Permission to do something which without a license would not be allowed.
4.A permit, granted by an appropriate govenmantal body........., to a person, firm, or corporation to pursue some occcupation or to carry on some business subject to regulation under the police power........
Nothing about making someone have morals or the world a better place, but it does come down to the power to control and create revenue for the government.
yep three key words there, 1 permission, compitent government. neither valid in todays reality. Feedom is granted by God, permission is granted by government. or any other RULER.
Here in Columbus they won't allow you to turn in anything off of the sealed system part of a hvac system, unless they have your certification on file. Some of them won't deal with the compressors anymore period, for fear of a 10,000 USD fine. The ones that do take them require the unit model# and pull date. They've thumbprinted me before, I don't know if that's still required or not, because I'm on file, it's always cash out the door.
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