Scrapping license - Page 2

Originally Posted by Scrapette

That new Cincinnati law would require the yards to pay scrappers with checks and the checks would be on a hold for so many days in case the metal turned out to be stolen.

If people stop scrapping, wouldn't that make prices go up due to scarcity?

The only thing that would make them stop, is if they can't go a few days without cash. Most scrappers that I know of personally, leave a little cash (like petty cash) for those days, when there is no scrap to be had, or emergencies, etc.

I could understand the whole check thing, but even so, with most banks, if they know you, they will push the check through.

Only way a scrap yard can have a check have a hold on it, if they write a date for a few days into the week. Like if I went today and they wrote me a check, and post dated till Friday, I wouldn't be able to deposit till Friday.

Originally Posted by PistoneScrapProcessing

In my opinion everyone should have a license and some sort of liability insurance and be issued checks. Tag and hold on copper is great in most cases. I for one am all for any regulation that cleans up theft which is a billion dollar a year problem and makes legit scrappers look better in the eyes of the public. Check out the amount of theft that happens daily here its amazing whats stolen on a day to day basis.

http://www.scraptheftalert.com/allTheftReports.aspx

I can see where you are coming from, but for smaller scrappers that would drive them out of business. I know some that can't even make $100 a trip, because their trucks are so darn small. Only way, is if their trucks are full with copper or something.

Granted, would cut down on competition, but at the same time everyone deserves to make a living.

Doesn't seem to me that all the post replies are worried about thieves. I think what most of them are worried about it what this forces the everyday good scrappers trying to make a living to do, jumping through hoops to make some money and possibly having to wait for that money. I need a license? Fine, I have no problem with that but I dang well better get paid in cash still and if they have to give me a check it better not have a hold on it because they have the material and I have something that could be no good tomorrow if that yard closed today after i left the building. And how would they know if the copper I turned in was stolen whether I had a license or not? It's not like copper is stamped like paper money is lol. That right there is the problem.

Oh, and if you notice, the guy in that pick is also illegally scrapping those grocery carts. Legally they belong ot whatever store they came from, my yard wont get any for us to use to unlodd stuff for this reason. methinks they aren't too smart to begin with.

Now, this part I quoted from that article, are they saying if I take a truck load of junk I picked up that they have to enter every broom stick and piece of fence or old shelves i toss in the bin? They really have time to do this in case that sump pump motor I brought in is claimed to be stolen? This is where I'm rolling my eyes. I toss in ten broom sticks and they have to enter those in a database? gimme a break.

• Requiring scrap yard operators to enter information on every item it receives into a national online database of stolen items called LeadsOnline. This would allow local police to search what the scrap yard has purchased online for items reported stolen.

I toss in ten broom sticks and they have to enter those in a database?

Your yard buys broomsticks, man they are screwed up,,,,lol

Originally Posted by Redback

I have an ABN (Australian Business Number) for business taxation purposes and I pay public liabilaty insurance ($900 per year). Most other scrappers claim they are hobby businesses (less than $3k per annum turn over) and do what ever they want.

I believe a licence system with set postcode (ZIP) territories should be set up by councils.

So if I scrap in five Zip codes I would need five license's ? That would suck! The Government gets enough of my money as it is!

No license needed here, yet. But we do get paid by check. I think they started this back around August of this year. Doesn't matter if it's $10 or $1000 you will get paid by check. So far it has not been a problem. Get paid, go to bank, cash or deposit the check. Clears every time. No hold on check.

The yards are required to hold all material for 10 days. That way the law can come check their inventory to find stolen items. Don't see how this could work though as the stuff is not separated daily. Todays stuff is mixed with yesterdays stuff which is mixed with day before yesterdays stuff, etc. You get the picture. So how would they tell what came in when? And that mountain of stuff is pretty darn huge. They'd have a real heck of a time going through it all to find that specific item.

All this was done as theft deterrents. It hasn't worked yet. But they have their law in place and it looks good to the voting public and they can brag about how they stopped metal/copper theft and get re-elected. All the laws and licenses and requirements are for them. For the politicians fame and fortune. That's what all this boils down to.

Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

I would think there would be a council meeting since it seems like it is only being done in that town. You can also bet the Big Scrap Dealers will be at that meeting protesting this Local Law. I still say Go to County Clerks Office and File A DBA when doing A DBA They don't require a Back Ground check. So Say you named your Business New Tude Metal Recycling. You would be scrapping as a Company Not as A Person off of the Street. And to make it All Legal You can Incorperate Online for as low as $100That should Eliminate Any Problems with any Kind of Laws they come up with.

It would still apply I think. Because you are either a buyer or a seller (or both) and there will be licensing on both ends. When you go to sell your metal in Cincinnati you will have to show a license whatever you call yourself or your business. The yard would have to have a license number in orfer to make the transaction. Otherwise, ithe law would be totally ineffective and it would be Crackhead, Inc. ( Crackhead Brothers, Inc. Crackhead Brothers and Sisters, Inc., Methmakers Enterprises etc.) all over the place.

The yards bring a lot of tax money into the city and I think that council may just succeed in running them out of town. It's not just the thieves that won't get a license - smaller scrap operations and individuals who only scrap occasionally may not bother - they might just go out of town to sell their scrap . Ky is across the river but they are working on superregulating copper sales. There are yards in the Ohio and Indiana burbs they are jjust a bit of a haul.

Originally Posted by olddude

yep three key words there, 1 permission, compitent government. neither valid in todays reality. Feedom is granted by God, permission is granted by government. or any other RULER.

I just want to get to the cash out window with as little drama as possible............