Board grading

[mikeinreco]

So you make better money, while supplying cheaper boards, while those supplying better boards don't. Most others wouldn't worry much about that either ; ) Still, there's others, who know their boards. Who really cares what gov't boards are any more? They certainly don't

Yes but when I get older boards I also send them to ewasted so I take a little hit on those

[mikeinreco]

No offense Bear but it does matter about gov't surplus.........The U.S gov't and the school systems are probably the largest suppliers of used computers in the nation and the world

[Bear]

If you walk into an auto dealership to buy a vehicle, and people are driving out with V8, automatic, leather seats, stereo, AC, power steering, cruise control, etc. and you want to buy one, but they only offer you a plain 4 cylinder stick shift at the same price, what would you say?

[Ewasted]

If you walk into an auto dealership to buy a vehicle, and people are driving out with V8, automatic, leather seats, stereo, AC, power steering, cruise control, etc. and you want to buy one, but they only offer you a plain 4 cylinder stick shift at the same price, what would you say?

I see where you are going with this... but lets make it more realistic, say you could buy both for the same price. But you need to buy 30 of the V8 vehicles to match the price of the 4cylinder. Let's also say the 30 V8 units were not properly ran through quality control so there are some variances.

Most people can't afford nor do they have a need for 30 of the V8 units, nor do they want to assume the risk of quality issues that arent warrantied.

[Bear]

Maybe prices are better by the ton, and that's certainly understandable, but the last I looked, most buyers prices were by the pound : D

[Ewasted]

Maybe prices are better by the ton, and that's certainly understandable, but the last I looked, most buyers prices were by the pound : D

I have spent multiple threads answering this bear.

We are the longest standing, most consistent buyer on this forum. If we were cheating people or having unfair practices, do you think you would hear about it?
I go back to my previous comment Bear, it sounds like there is an opportunity for you to build a business around this. In the free market of capitalism I wish all the best and welcome all competition to help us become a better company.

[Bear]

I have no desire to be a buyer Mario ; ) haha, good luck : D

[Ewasted]

I have no desire to be a buyer Mario ; ) haha, good luck : D

And I have no desire to be a seller
Touche

[Scrap Master J]

This topic of what buyers get in value vs what seller gets in value goes back a long way. I remember doing this myself when easy started buying here (before ewasted). What I have learned along the way is this. There are two main factors. The first is no one know where the price of gold (or any metal) is going. This is a big variable. Second, the flow of material through the system (buyers and sellers) keeps decreasing in value. Better technologies allow manufactures the ability to use less of the values we are trying to recover. This is sadly the constant. So if gold holds steady, the value of the "mix" will decline in time. If gold goes down, board pricing will drop at a more rapid rate as a ratio to the gold drop. If gold goes up, then prices should hold to higher in the near term, depending on the amount of increase. I think this should help answer the other often ask question of "Should I hoard or sell?" as well. Buyers must protect themselves from this constant (sellers should also). While sellers dream that the variable goes to the moon (Buyers probably do as well). Sometimes the answer is not what you want to realize.

[mikeinreco]

I have said this before.......I am both a buyer and a seller and it is very frustrating at times............Oh well back to the PILE

[manchvegassalvage]

The Value of P4 boards has been declining for a while now because the consumers demands CHEAPER products. So to meet that demand all of the manufactures have created low end computers to fit this need. To acheive this they have created low end mother boards with less precious metals on the connectors, pins, chips and even less copper content in the board . This is why you can buy a complete computer at Walmart for $129.00.

Some people are wasting there time buying P4 boards in 4 different catagories. This is way to confusing for the people who are selling their boards and way to time consuming for the people buying them that way. I have just one P4 catagory and have adjusted my pricing to coincide with that.

The other problem is most people think the value of boards is much more then what they are actually worth. I big contributer to this problem is Ebay where things sell for far more then what the actual value is. The other problem is people selling there boards in SMALL quantities think they can demand the same prices as someone who is selling 10,000lbs at a time.

If you Could get an assay on one P4 board and get a per pound price for that board. Now if you had 20,000lbs of the same board your assay isnt going to reflect the assay you had on that one board it could be more or less depending on who did the assay.

And for the record I have never met Ewasted but I do check his pricing from time to time and he is not unfair or cheating anybody. People have to realize that the people selling us the boards are making 10x if not more proffit then we are.

[Copperli]

Good thread

I'm not a ewaste guy but to go back to the original question. If you are selling 2 of the exact same boards with 2 different countries of origin stamped on them. I would say the pricing should be the same or very close. I understand the 2 countries may have different quality controls but if they look exactly the same they should pay that way too. .02

[mikeinreco]

not sure it even matters where the board was manufactured

[mrsamsonite]

All boards "were" Not created equal, maybe they are today, but, that didn't used to be so. Imagine going to the store and getting Ribeye steak for the price of low grade hamburger. Or maybe offering them hamburger price if you buy all their ribeyes. Would it work there? Probably not
I've seen it spoken about the "mix", when one seller sends lower grade, and gets the same price as one who sends higher grade, as being an acceptable practice.
I've also seen it stated that although higher grade boards in the same category improve the "mix", they are Not given any further adeu. But why not?
If you buy(or sell) one gallon of lower grade gas, or whether you buy 500 gallons, it will be the same PPG
If you buy(or sell) One pound of Hamburger, Chuck, Shoulder, Strip, Rump, or Roast, the price will remain the same whether you buy a single slice, or the whole store
I, for one, don't understand the difference. IF the boards are a better grade, no matter the volume, why aren't they addressed as such?

I worked 8 years in a meat department.
-We would sell the same piece of meat for less if the customer bought a value pack (3 steaks or more).
-When top sirloin was on sale for $1.99 people would ask for it to be ground into ground beef so they can have Ground Sirloin for cheap. Ground Sirloin is never $1.99
-Restaurant owners from local restaurants would come in and buy several cases of meat at discount prices.
-We would mark down meat that has a couple of day left on their shelf life.
-When there was a surplus of one type of meat we would mark it down to get rid of it.
-When rib roasts were on sale but, not the rib eye steaks, people would ask for the rib roast to be cut into rib eye steaks to get the discount price.
-Sometimes we would put different kinds of steak in the grinder to get a leaner or more fat ground beef. Those different steaks were different prices but in the end we sold them for the same price.

So what I am trying to get at is that like the meat industry the ewaste recycle industry there are lots of variables as well. The price is whatever the company wants it to be and the seller/buyer can make their decision if they want to do business with them or not.

[dave]

I picked up like 14 pallets of shtuff to tear apart yesterday. I do the large socket, small socket colored kind of grading on mbo's and when I find something in the shtuff that looks better I put it in a different box. I do 3 grades of mid grade boards and one for browns. I wanted to see how to get the grade right so I took 3500lb or so to Mario myself and got my hands into it with the folks there. It was quick and I learned some good stuff. We live in a supply and demand world and we are all working for money; that said "expectations are indeed premeditated resentments". It is not hard to find a buyer; but remember he buys so he can make money too. When you find a good buyer like Mario that bends over backwards to make the transaction work personally I feel like that is half of the paycheck! I want this guy to make money so he will be there for the next load and I know they do go through the box and re-grade my work. I'm focused on making what I do better to help my buyer as that buyer is my customer just like I am his customer. We're just like a pair of good mules sharing the load of the wagon and life is good.

[stillwaterrecycling]

Ewasted good advice. That's why I'm here. Not for attention.

At the same time I'm wicked excited about recycling and its potential.

Another awesome thread and info.

Aaron.

[stillwaterrecycling]

Mrsam great analogy!!

You def must be missed at that job!

[Bear]

I worked 8 years in a meat department.
-We would sell the same piece of meat for less if the customer bought a value pack (3 steaks or more).
-When top sirloin was on sale for $1.99 people would ask for it to be ground into ground beef so they can have Ground Sirloin for cheap. Ground Sirloin is never $1.99
-Restaurant owners from local restaurants would come in and buy several cases of meat at discount prices.
-We would mark down meat that has a couple of day left on their shelf life.
-When there was a surplus of one type of meat we would mark it down to get rid of it.
-When rib roasts were on sale but, not the rib eye steaks, people would ask for the rib roast to be cut into rib eye steaks to get the discount price.
-Sometimes we would put different kinds of steak in the grinder to get a leaner or more fat ground beef. Those different steaks were different prices but in the end we sold them for the same price.

So what I am trying to get at is that like the meat industry the ewaste recycle industry there are lots of variables as well. The price is whatever the company wants it to be and the seller/buyer can make their decision if they want to do business with them or not.

I'm sorry to see you slipped this in here sam, frankly, I got bored with this thread a long time ago.
I find your analogy to be rather lame actually, since your examples are mostly to move a perishable product, or to hide inferior product in the mix(which actually may have some bearing, although not to make your point, but mine) and maybe with your family pack, 1 piece, or 3, of identical product, I suppose if I had one box of boards and you had three, all totally identical, you might get a deal, maybe.

The analogy I used (which you quoted) had more to do with mixing ribeye steaks and rump roast in one package, for one price, which is something you would never have attempted to do to your markets customers and hoped to get away with it.
I happen to know boards as well as you know meats, and they most certainly are "Not all created equal". My few boxes of boards aren't much worth discussing, and I had left it at that, but still what I'm saying, and to repeat what I said, there most certainly IS a difference.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, it began on P4s, which hadn't been heard of when the boards I referred to were made. There may be millions of different electrical circuit boards, thousands of those being motherboards alone, and even though almost everything is made in a cheaper way every day, there is a date around 2001/2002 where the gold content in them took a severe nosedive, and boards made before that(especially when it's Long before that) should be treated as ribeye, and not rump roast, no matter the volume ( I mean like, nobody on this forum is talking numerous tractor trailers or trainloads) long as prices are being listed (to repeat myself once more) "by the pound"

Happy Scrappin : )

[blacksteel]

Wow real information.lol and i keep kept skipping this thread. Hmmm .
Good job. Good points. Just grrrrrrgreat !

[mrsamsonite]

I'm sorry to see you slipped this in here sam, frankly, I got bored with this thread a long time ago.
I find your analogy to be rather lame actually, since your examples are mostly to move a perishable product, or to hide inferior product in the mix(which actually may have some bearing, although not to make your point, but mine) and maybe with your family pack, 1 piece, or 3, of identical product, I suppose if I had one box of boards and you had three, all totally identical, you might get a deal, maybe.

The analogy I used (which you quoted) had more to do with mixing ribeye steaks and rump roast in one package, for one price, which is something you would never have attempted to do to your markets customers and hoped to get away with it.
I happen to know boards as well as you know meats, and they most certainly are "Not all created equal". My few boxes of boards aren't much worth discussing, and I had left it at that, but still what I'm saying, and to repeat what I said, there most certainly IS a difference.

As far as the rest of this thread goes, it began on P4s, which hadn't been heard of when the boards I referred to were made. There may be millions of different electrical circuit boards, thousands of those being motherboards alone, and even though almost everything is made in a cheaper way every day, there is a date around 2001/2002 where the gold content in them took a severe nosedive, and boards made before that(especially when it's Long before that) should be treated as ribeye, and not rump roast, no matter the volume ( I mean like, nobody on this forum is talking numerous tractor trailers or trainloads) long as prices are being listed (to repeat myself once more) "by the pound"

Happy Scrappin : )

We would do that many times, if the t-bone steak was on sale and not the porterhouse we would mark the porterhouse as a t-bone to give it the sale price. The porterhouse is a more valued steak (it has the filet on it) but, usually the t-bone and porterhouse are marked as the same price or almost the same price. I do think though, that we have been using the wrong analogies of retail of goods such as meats and you mentioned earlier the retail of gas. None of us have a retail store of ewaste that we sale to customers. A better analogy for the meat industry would be not at the retail level but the prices that the grocery companies pay the slaughter houses for the meats. When buying from slaughter houses, they make all sorts of deals with mixed lots and the prices vary from deal to deal.