Making money with CRT's?

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Originally Posted by technologyrecycling

Dell is not making money off this... This is their responsibility.. If they had it their way they would leave it up to everyone else to handle it. They do not want to handle any of their products after they are sold.. They have to put up a specific amount of money every year to cover the cost of the recycling of the electronics they sell... That was money in their pocket prior to state sponsored e-waste laws. The E-waste is not being shipped back to dell for them to de-manufacture it and take the value of the components. It is being handled by large collectives that have to audit every last lb of equipment that gets recycled on their behalf. It is an extremely complicated and costly process that manufacturers wish never happened in the first place, but was absolutely vital.

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This is absolutely true. They also have to prove that they have recycled a certain percent of e-waste (I think it's 60%). It does not have to be their brand or product...... just so they can so they are recycling that percentage. We just learned this in the hazardous waste class I am in. It's all government mandated.











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Originally Posted by Hypoman

This is absolutely true. They also have to prove that they have recycled a certain percent of e-waste (I think it's 60%). It does not have to be their brand or product...... just so they can so they are recycling that percentage. We just learned this in the hazardous waste class I am in. It's all government mandated.

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In NY State that number rises every year until it reaches 110% of the electronics they manufacture every year (2015 or 2016) ... These collectives hire e-waste recycling companies to handle a specific amount of tonnage to get paid a specific amount in return for handling it. It is tracked down to pennies in cost and ounces in weight... Pretty serious stuff.. Definitely not profitable for the manufacturers that's for sure.

I stand corrected :) I'm kind of biased against Dell (as well as Intel and to a smaller extent Microsoft, at least they've done some really good things with their massive profits) and I seemed to remember reading that they only took Dell products and made you pay, but reimbursed you with credit towards another Dell brand item... that may have just been an isolated case or I'm just totally wrong. I looked over their ReConnect page and they do seem to accept just about all electronics of any brand, depending on the location's capacities.
However, I do still believe they would have nothing to do with it if they didn't have to and it were not profitable. Tax write-offs are no small thing, as well.
I also stand by my comment that you shouldn't "Feel bad" about bringing in stripped monitors... there's still a little money in the carcasses. I know how it is, I couldn't help but feel a tad guilty the first time I came in with just a load of about 14 carcasses, but they didn't seem to mind one bit. Like I said, though, I do bring in some functional stuff to be donated mixed in with my stripped monitors now. Mostly keyboards and mice, with the occasional cheapo (but functional) printer.

[QUOTE=Hypoman;102252]This is absolutely true. They also have to prove that they have recycled a certain percent of e-waste (I think it's 60%). It does not have to be their brand or product...... just so they can so they are recycling that percentage. We just learned this in the hazardous waste class I am in. It's all government mandated.QUOTE]


So here is my question. If this program is a government mandate why is Dell the only company involved? What about the other 50 or what ever computer manufactures?? Doesn't seem fair it is only for computer manufactures what about tv manufactures?? I'm sure at least 50% of the CRT's are tv's. I don't have proof but I can bet between tax credits and return from the recycling they are at least breaking even.

by weight lcds yield more in scrap than crts, i hate processing crts, all i get is low grade boards, copper wire and copper scrap, about $5 worth of scrap each, lcd monitors yield about $4 in scrap and are a whole lot easier and faster to process.

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Originally Posted by Hypoman

This is absolutely true. They also have to prove that they have recycled a certain percent of e-waste (I think it's 60%). It does not have to be their brand or product...... just so they can so they are recycling that percentage. We just learned this in the hazardous waste class I am in. It's all government mandated.QUOTE]


So here is my question. If this program is a government mandate why is Dell the only company involved? What about the other 50 or what ever computer manufactures?? Doesn't seem fair it is only for computer manufactures what about tv manufactures?? I'm sure at least 50% of the CRT's are tv's. I don't have proof but I can bet between tax credits and return from the recycling they are at least breaking even.

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Company Takeback Program Summary
Acer -Acer has only recently launched a takeback program for the Acer brand here. You mail back your old product to them. They may charge $15 to $40 for shipping. But Acer does not have a policy against exporting toxic e-waste to developing nations. Therefore, we
recommend that you do not use the Acer takeback program until they toughen their export policies.
Gateway and eMachines ( acquired by Acer) will recycle their brands using the Dealtree trade-in program, mailback. If your item has no trade in value, they will recycle it for free if it’s a Gateway, Gateway 2000, or eMachine.

Apple Computers- Apple has recently launched in a trade in program for working computers – MACs or PCs, either desktop or notebooks. If your computer has any reuse value, send it to them, and they will send you an Apple gift card for that value. If the computer is not
working, they will recycle it for free if it’s an Apple, or if you are buying a new Apple computer system. Otherwise it will cost $30 to use their service for recycling PC computers and monitors.
iPods and iPhones. They accept iPods for recycling in their stores (and you get a 10% discount towards a new one). Or you can mail back iPods and cell phones (any maker) for free. Download mailing label for iPods and cell phones.

Residents of Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Texas, and Virgina may recycle their Apple or NeXT computers/monitors/mice/keyboards by filling out the request form to receive free shipping, because of laws passed in those states.

Best Buy Best Buy has been the leading retailer in the U.S. for electronics takeback programs. Best Buy’s house brands (ones they manufacture) are Insignia, Dynex, and VPR Matrix. Best Buy will take back those brands of electronics for free at any Best Buy store.
They will also take back other brands’ electronic products, mostly for free, but TV recycling costs $10.

Dell Dell takes back anything with Dell’s name on it for free, via it’s mailback program (free shipping).
But most consumers won’t use mail back programs. Unlike most other computer companies, Dell has augmented its mailback program by offering an extensive network of collection sites in many states, via partnerships with Staples and Goodwills in many
states. Dell has been a leading company in expanding its takeback collection network each year.

Staples. You can drop off Dell computers, monitors, laptops, printers, and faxes for free, or other brands for $10. ( I have been dropping off all brands for free)

Dell also partners with Goodwill in many cities, accepting used computer equipment under their Reconnect program. Check here for participating Goodwill locations and a list of what they accept.



Funai Funai is a Japanese company which now makes TVs for Philips in the US. They own other brands including Sylvania and Emerson. They have no takeback program.
Goldstar For GoldStar TV recycling, see LG (which owns GoldStar).
Hitachi Hitachi has no voluntary takeback program.

HP HP has a buy-back program for old electronic products, which they hope to resell or use for parts. You can use their online calculator to see if your products (any brand) have value. If they do, you ship them for free, and HP will send you a check. If not, they will recycle HP and Compaq branded products for free, and other brands for a fee, but either way, you pay the shipping.
They also offer free recycling (and free mailback) of used toner or inkjet cartridges.

JVC JVC has no voluntary takeback program. They do provide takeback in states whose laws require it.

Lenovo Lenovo has a free mail back recycling program for Lenovo equipment, including free shipping.

LG LG’s program includes takeback of Zenith and GoldStar TVs. To recycle an LG, Zenith or GoldStar TV for free, you must drop off products at LG’s designated collection sites.

Mitsubishi Mitsubishi now participates in the MRM recycling system. To recycle a Mistubishi TV for free, you must drop it off at an MRM collection site.

Panasonic Recycle Panasonic Toughbooks using their mail back program
To recycle Panasonic TVs or other Panasonic consumer electronics for free, you must take them to one of the collection sites operated by the MRM recycling program. (Panasonic owns MRM along with Sharp and Toshiba.)

Philips Philips has no voluntary takeback program.

Samsung Consumer electronics – Televisions, Digital Cameras, Camcorders, Home Theater, Blu-ray and DVD players, printers, monitors, notebooks. To recycle Samsung TVs and other items listed above for free, you must take them to one of Samsung’s recycling locations.
Monitors and printers can also be mailed back to Samsung.

Sharp -To recycle Sharp TVs and other Sharp consumer electronics for free, you must take them to one of the collection sites operated by the MRM recycling program. (Sharp owns MRM along with Panasonic and Toshiba.)

Sony -Small electronics collection: Sony has installed “GreenFill” collection boxes in retail stores across the country, where you can take your small electronics (any brand, not just Sony) for free recycling. They accept cameras, camcorders, cordless phones, cell phones, PDAs, game devices, digital picture frames, GPS, recorders and microphones, small laptops, alarm clocks and small audio, rechargeable batteries.
TVs and large electronics collection: To recycle Sony TVs and other large electronics, you must take them to a Sony product drop off sites around the country. Sony will take back its own branded products for free (and other brands for a fee) at these locations.

Residents of TX, WV, OK, RI, VA – Sony offers mail back computer recycling in some states, which require manufacturer takeback programs by law.

Target -Target makes its own house brand of electronics, but Target has no takeback program for those products. (This is disappointing, as both Best Buy and Walmart will take back their house brands for free.)
Toshiba -Small electronics: Toshiba takes back laptops and other smaller electronics using a company called Dealtree (now owned by Best Buy) which allows you to trade in your products for cash. You pay to ship them to Dealtree, and if they have value, they send you a check. Dealtree has no information on its website about what they do with products that can’t be reused and must be recycled, however.

TVs and large electronics: To recycle Toshiba TVs and other larger Toshiba electronics for free, you must take them to one of the collection sites operated by the MRM recycling program. (Toshiba owns MRM along with Panasonic and Sharp.)


Vizio Vizio now participates in the MRM recycling system. To recycle a Vizio TV for free, you must drop it off at an MRM collection site.

Westinghouse Westinghouse has no voluntary takeback program.
Zenith For Zenith TV recycling, see LG (which owns Zenith).



heres a link for that mrm recycling program:

Electronic Manufacturers Recycli

Hypoman
Thanks for all the info great post. I live in Va so I will look into the program there. It may be a great money maker for me if just dumping them is illegal. I bet most people don't know that. I know the local dump takes them all day long.

I just realized heatsinks are extruded aluminum. I was dumping all aluminum in one bucket, after scrapping more CRTs than I want to count.

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Originally Posted by charn

I just realized heatsinks are extruded aluminum. I was dumping all aluminum in one bucket, after scrapping more CRTs than I want to count.

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Only certain heatsinks are ext. The flat style with louvers go as old sheet. If the fins are molded into the base then they probably are ext.

Dell is a HUGE company. As with any company of that size, it is not always in their best interest to make money on everything thing they do. There are tax incentives and it is a means to an end.

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Originally Posted by drozenski

CRT glass can be recycled into new glass for bottles, windows ect.

Here is a company that will sell you a furnace.

Recycling CRTs from Televisions & Computer Screens - © Nulife Glass

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out of curiosity, i wonder what this machine goes for.

if you try to get rid of bulk amounts of crt glass anywhere, they charge for it. but why? when they get to resell glass and lead. let's take a look...i read that there is approximately 2lbs of lead in a 34" tv, so that's only a dollar in lead. then how much unleaded glass gets sold for could be the difference. anyone know? let's assume 0.10#. the tv weighs lets say 100lbs, so thats $10 dollars in glass. $11 for an empty large crt. profitable? depends on how much that machine costs and how much energy and labor it takes.

I think the problem right now with recycling crt's is the technology has pretty much been faded out in developed countries.
whilst there's great need right now and the next couple years for crt recycling, it's shelf life is too short for any company to invest in the machinery needed to do it, couple years and then what? scrap the machines?

the present and future tv's and monitors are flat screens and that's the future for companies wanting to invest in recycling technology.
so they can process today and well into the future.

blubox is my 3 year goal, it's a closed cycle flat screen recycling plant, built into a 40ft container, ready to go.
the beauty of this machine is that is processes mercury contaminated e-waste so flat screen tv's, monitors, laptops, mobile phones, lcd tablets ect, and on top of that, it processes florescent tubes and mixed light bulbs containing mercury, and all at the same time!
it's the only machine of it's kind and it's mine as soon as they advance the technology just a bit more, the only problem is it handles tv's 100cm in length max, many lcd's I find are over 100cm so i'm hoping they upgrade that by the time i'm ready.
there's one company in florida that bought 12 of 'em, wow, but none down here so maybe this will be my thing..

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scrapperben;107770]I think the problem right now with recycling crt's is the technology has pretty much been faded out in developed countries.
whilst there's great need right now and the next couple years for crt recycling, it's shelf life is too short for any company to invest in the machinery needed to do it, couple years and then what? scrap the machines?

the present and future tv's and monitors are flat screens and that's the future for companies wanting to invest in recycling technology.
so they can process today and well into the future.

blubox is my 3 year goal, it's a closed cycle flat screen recycling plant, built into a 40ft container, ready to go.
the beauty of this machine is that is processes mercury contaminated e-waste so flat screen tv's, monitors, laptops, mobile phones, lcd tablets ect, and on top of that, it processes florescent tubes and mixed light bulbs containing mercury, and all at the same time!
it's the only machine of it's kind and it's mine as soon as they advance the technology just a bit more, the only problem is it handles tv's 100cm in length max, many lcd's I find are over 100cm so i'm hoping they upgrade that by the time i'm ready.
there's one company in florida that bought 12 of 'em, wow, but none down here so maybe this will be my thing..

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Great forum this is my first post. We are a small to medium size De manufacturing recycler in western Colorado. We process 100,000 lbs a month of E-waste give or take a little.

I just emailed Bluebox to get prices. I need one of these at our location.

As for CRTS we break them down to CRT tubes and send the CRT tubes to CALIRESOURCES they are R2 certified and located in Mexico. I found that they have the best price for CRT processing in large quantities we send 40k lbs a month to them. We charge 10 dollars for CRTS and tvs range from $10 to $35. We take apart all the copper yokes and degaussing wire in house and send all the board to a refinery along with our high end boards. I cant divulge my price I pay as I am under contract but it is cheaper than any one else I have found and only R2 I have found. We are on our stage 2 audit of R2 RIOS and ISO 14001.

Thanks Ken
ewasteofco

So do you want more crt glass? I'm sure you can have all you want.

Haha...I want one of those bad boys.

Sirscrapalot - wondering where he could find a warehouse big enough for a blubox near his sandbar.

keep me/us informed it is a lot easier to start picking up odds and ends like fluorescent light bulbs, flat screens, CRTs I have been doing this lately and throwing out all my old CRTs or waiting for the city to come and pick them up for heavy item pick up once a month, I have no idea what they do with them besides smash them in there huge trucks.

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Originally Posted by happyisthealero

keep me/us informed it is a lot easier to start picking up odds and ends like fluorescent light bulbs, flat screens, CRTs I have been doing this lately and throwing out all my old CRTs or waiting for the city to come and pick them up for heavy item pick up once a month, I have no idea what they do with them besides smash them in there huge trucks.

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Don't you have a Goodwill or Best Buy handy??

yes why?

Did you not read Hypoman's book?

lol hahaha




















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