Green Motherboards VS. Colored "Chinese" Motherboards

Not sure where to start. I would have to say that they are shipping overseas. That would be the educated guess, theres not much margin (if any) if they are paying $4.00lb for mother boards of all sorts. We dont even do that and we are secondary refinar if you decide to refine will you get that price (you should get better). That market should dry up soon. Not everyone can pay high prices and expect to stay in business for vary long no matter how long they have been in business. We are all in business to make money and stay in business.
The next thing is are the certifed do they have the ability to show downstream for all of your boards and other items you send. (to most it wont matter) If you happen to land a large account and they ask you for yoru downstream vendor paperwork and they see their items going overseas you could have very well lost a good account.

I will always advocate my company and how we do business because it keeps businesses here it keeps jobs here and it keeps our information here not overseas somewhere where they can get to your, mine, or their personal information.

I don't know of any business that shows another business their business to get business.

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Originally Posted by ggariepy

I can speak to this.

It's not a matter of lower quality, it's refinement of design, and better design tools, plus better materials utilization.

The design of circuitry in the 70s and 80s was done on paper.

So yeah, today's computers aren't worth quite as much as scrap as the ones of yesteryear. Oh, well. It doesn't make them inferior, not by a long shot!

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I chopped the middle, cause it was kinda windy.
Yes, I very well remember those days. Drawing prints, using a TI calculator, pencils, and ink. And no, CAD hadn't even been thought of, and yes, 50 36" wide pages only covered one phase, and when it needed a change, even those electric erasers could take awhile.
I was basically addressing the OPs question about PM content. And it has most definitely declined, along with most everything else.
There was a time when we strived to build things "better", not just "shinier", or "faster", but better! Today the dominant factor is "cheaper", and that one has certainly been aced.
Temporary as that may be, until of course, tomorrow's "new and improved" once again rears it's ugly head, and you're packing yet another non working item back into its "original package"(hopefully you saved that? because they don't want it otherwise), to be returned for replacement(haha, IF! you bought the, new and improved, "extended", for more than 7 days, "limited", warranty) , hoping the next one you get will, hopefully, be a working unit, for, at least, a little while ; )

I know to get some certifications you can only do business with others that have that certification or meet other requirements, mostly it is so big business only does business with big business. I don't know how far back the requirements go.

I think that ddelatorre is referring to being R2 certified so that the people that you do business with can audit your downstreams if they need to. The company that I am dealing with has R2, Rios and several ISO certifications. Therefore, I know they aren't shipping the stuff overseas and I don't have to worry any nefarious business practices.

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Originally Posted by BohemianLush

I think that ddelatorre is referring to being R2 certified so that the people that you do business with can audit your downstreams if they need to. The company that I am dealing with has R2, Rios and several ISO certifications. Therefore, I know they aren't shipping the stuff overseas and I don't have to worry any nefarious business practices.

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Being that I am very familiar with R2's certifications and requirements, there is nothing to prohibit a company from doing business "overseas". In fact the notion that a company as large as SIMS Metal management or Waste management one of which I'm pretty certain you've contracted with, could function on a day to day basis without filling and shipping containers is ridiculous. R2 doesn't even prohibit shipping e-waste to developing countries.

The way I look at mother board issue is just like the case of the computer.
The old case are thick steel and are heavy. The new cases are VERY thin and light.
They both work, and the new ones are much easyer to move around (sucks for scrapping)

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Originally Posted by ron22

The way I look at mother board issue is just like the case of the computer.
The old case are thick steel and are heavy. The new cases are VERY thin and light.
They both work, and the new ones are much easyer to move around (sucks for scrapping)

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?? what

What I ment is thing get made cheaper less material in them
Old Computer case have still. New ones realy thing steel. Made cheaper but still work just as good or better.
Mother boards are made cheaper because then can and they still work.

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Originally Posted by Bear

Every time you buy something, in case you haven't noticed, it is inferior to the last time you bought the "same" item. This is not only true at the grocery store, where last weeks 0.99 - 7oz bag of chips has became this weeks 1.79 - 3oz "new and improved" ones which taste rather funky due to the cheaper ingredients. It is also true with everything else on the shelves, including computers, and their "new and improved" inferior internal components. I have no clue why this has happened, but have heard stories which mentioned "unbridled corporate greed".

In other words, the answer to your question is a definitive, resounding, Y-E-S! They are cheaper in every possible way that the human mind can possibly imagine in making them that way. You only need hold up an 80s IBM, made in USA board, beside a 2012 hoo.askt.yoo board, to see very definite differences. Far as precious metals go, they're not only in less places, and on less components, they are undoubtedly lighter and thinner in any way they could conceive in making them that way. (just my 02 ; )

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I'll second that,i have quit going to a lot of places i used to eat, cause every bite ya take,you know if there was anything in the world cheaper to put in that food,thats what you would be eating instead of the current cheap ingredients.

Back in the 80's and 90's the price of gold was about 400.00 per troy oz. today gold is over 1700 per troy oz. If they made computers the same way today as they did in the 80's or 90's we would be paying 2000.00-3000.00$ insted of 500.00 or 600.00$. And we all would be complainning about how expensive the computers are.

what you mean people still buy real computers, all ive seen people buying is icrap

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Originally Posted by happyscraper

Back in the 80's and 90's the price of gold was about 400.00 per troy oz. today gold is over 1700 per troy oz. If they made computers the same way today as they did in the 80's or 90's we would be paying 2000.00-3000.00$ insted of 500.00 or 600.00$. And we all would be complainning about how expensive the computers are.

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The price of gold has little to do with the cost of manufacturing semiconductors. Computers used to cost more then they do today because it was profitable for everybody in the industry and there were tons of people taking a cut in thousands of companies. Remove the profit and the finished product is cheaper, of course many people out of work can't afford it anymore but CEOs don't care about people anyway.