I know what you mean hammer. my biggest problem with going for the r2 is my facility, not the money. my buisness partner would throw 20k @ getting certified with no questions asked. i have spoken with mario about getting r2 & kinda know what it takes and what all is involved. im more interested in other types that i may not be aware of. im on the fence right now because i have a well paying career but my side buisness is growing leaps & bounds & i want all the certification i can get before i make the jump.