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    Teaching Escrapping. What to charge?

    I went to a new scrap yard today and saw that they had a 16 ft trailer with 6 ft sides about half full of what they called electical breakage. THere was 7 computers that i could see. So obviously i want to find out if i can buy these from them. After talking to a few guys I get to the owner. He takes me back to where they are breaking down i full trailer of the same stuff. (same size trailer) I see about two dozen towers stacked off the the side. I tell him what i can pay for them wich was $5 each. Hes doesnt seem like hes real intersted and then he tells me about a company who wants to buy his boards from him. After about 10 minutes of talking to him he realizes that this company is ripping him off because he doesnt know what hes doin so he asks if id be willing to come in and teach his guys how to break down there ewaste. I said that i would love to. Now my question is what do i charge him? Im thinking barter might be the most benificial for me.


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    Charge them what you feel your time is worth.

    Your time should be worth alot if you're teaching a company how to make 100's or 1000's more $ per month, in one or 2 sittings.

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    I wouldn't do this cheap........Think of all the money he is going to make off of your knowledge....Interesting situation though.......I have tried to train several yards and they did learn but didn't seem to interested in the long run

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    I like your idea of the barter system if you are into scraping other than electronics. In the long run it would be like compond interest, if you can get a higher price for your non escraps.

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    I wouldn't do it at all. You are training your new competition if you do.

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    Just know when you teach them they are NEVER going to allow you to profit by buying their stuff, so make it worth your while.
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    Like auburn said your training your own competition. Unless you get paid enough to make up for the future loss I would make the best offer I can for what I see and walk away with your knowledge in hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuburnEwaste View Post
    I wouldn't do it at all. You are training your new competition if you do.
    they will now be able to beat your prices and more cash to buy with. But keep this in mind as well, they will learn it from someone eventually, so you might as well be the one to make some money and maybe get them to feel they owe you a favor

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    you have them sign a contract.


    you train them and in return you are their sole buyer.

    if they ever break it, sue them.

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    Offer to teach them on the terms that you get an extra $.XX per lb of everything you bring in for a certain ammount of time, lifetime, 10 yrs, 5 yrs and get it in writing, signed by the owner and notorised.
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    Thanks for the quick input guys. For the guys saying i shouldnt do it all i say this. He already know somewhat what his stuff is worth so he isnt going to sell it to me for what i could make decent money money on. So i figure instead of not making a dime from him id teach him how to make more money on what he takes in. Im not a big time escrapper i dont have a store, i dont advertise in the paper, so im not sure that he is really competition. Someone please point out my lack of perspective here. I just trying to make a few bucks when i can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuburnEwaste View Post
    I wouldn't do it at all. You are training your new competition if you do.
    Their not really competition because the people will bring stuff to the yard whether your around or not. They have the money for advertising, and location, possibly in the same place for eons.

    If you train them then I don't foresee you getting anything from them unless it's the crap they don't want to break down. (HD's,floppys,CD/DVD's)
    They'll keep the gravy. Unless you can pick up on the prices the "other" buyer was offering and up their offer.

    I lost one of my small sellers cause they were poking around on Google and found Boardsort's prices. I can't compete with them and neither can you.
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    Having given this some thought since I originally posted, I say teach them for free or at minimal cost. Here's why:
    1. They're going to learn with or without you.
    2. If you refuse to teach them they'll think you're a jack hole and you will have destroyed a relationship.
    3. If you charge an exorbitant amount you can expect the same results as number 2 above.
    4. If you DO teach them for a reasonable amount, the owner will always remember you as "that great guy who taught us how to improve our profits!". It certainly can't hurt to have a yard feeling a sense of indebtedness to you.

    You can never keep competition away. Sometimes they come from your own employees. My former crew chief bought himself a truck and opened a junk removal business. Do I feel betrayed? Somewhat. But I couldn't imagine a nicer guy to be out there competing with me. Would I prefer he was still my crew chief? Yep! But he is as honest as the day is long and would never steal my client list, he is developing his own.

    Suck it up.

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    Look at it this way, he knows there is $$$ in ewaste so he has to get up to speed quickly. I doubt he is going to sell anything to you now that he this bit of knowledge. This is the only shot you have to make money off this guy. If you dont do it someone else will. Forget the barter since prices are going to fluctuate, and what happens in a few months from now if you are out of scrapping for one reason or another. If your going to school him he has to pay and pay well. Approach him with the fact that not only that you have the knowledge you also the people that he can sell to and not get screwed. That alone is worth alot of $$$. If you are asking for a dollar value, if its was me i would ask for 15k, that will cover your time to teach and putting him in contact with who to sell to. He will make that up in a matter of a couple of months.
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    gold of course lol

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    for all of the time that you have put in, to KNOW what you KNOW...charge them 10 towers an hour. if you have to negotiate down to 5, wellllll...that's still should come out to about 75 an hour for your time. barter is better than cash IMHO! It can be a win win for both sides AND the chance to build some good relationships! my 2. dat all ;-) +++BroJer

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    Quote Originally Posted by BurlyGuys View Post
    Having given this some thought since I originally posted, I say teach them for free or at minimal cost. Here's why:
    1. They're going to learn with or without you.
    2. If you refuse to teach them they'll think you're a jack hole and you will have destroyed a relationship.
    3. If you charge an exorbitant amount you can expect the same results as number 2 above.
    4. If you DO teach them for a reasonable amount, the owner will always remember you as "that great guy who taught us how to improve our profits!". It certainly can't hurt to have a yard feeling a sense of indebtedness to you.

    You can never keep competition away. Sometimes they come from your own employees. My former crew chief bought himself a truck and opened a junk removal business. Do I feel betrayed? Somewhat. But I couldn't imagine a nicer guy to be out there competing with me. Would I prefer he was still my crew chief? Yep! But he is as honest as the day is long and would never steal my client list, he is developing his own.

    Suck it up.
    Well said, Burly. I have spent time with my local yard and e-waste. I made some good dollars for my time, and we are still on a great working relationship. They are still scared of buying for real so I still have my "IN" with them and can make some profit. In my dealings with them they now will buy my power supplies for electric motor price. Before that they would never touch them. I get some other leeway from them as well and the e-waste trade is still wide open with these guys. Your mileage may differ, but so far helping has been a great asset to me.
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    Its a tough decision...they r ur biggest competition...but, they also pay ya...i think its highly unlikely they would sign a 5 year contract w ya getting x amount per board...

    I would go for a higher $ amount on ur scrap u bring them for x amount of time...

    All the yards round here have signs posted that they wont sell anything, so u have an opportunity for something...gl

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    Also remember...someone could spend 2 hours on here n learn pretty much everything...the internet is available to all..

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrappy888 View Post
    Also remember...someone could spend 2 hours on here n learn pretty much everything...the internet is available to all..
    I doubt it. There is trade secrets that dont even get told in the open forum. Ive been doing escrap solid for the last 5 years and still am learning new tricks/processing/grading.



    Id avoid teaching anyone anything without a written contract, at xx % for xx years. But then again if the company changes names your screwed. So either get paid upfront or dont do it at all.
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