question about gold recovery - Page 3

"if you would, I would like you to point out those things specifically so that if I was involved in any of those types of comments, I can learn from my mistakes and post so that I don't offend people like you in the future," PEOPLE LIKE ME? LOL SCOTT, YOU CAN'T OFFEND ME. LOL I'M NOT A SCIENTIST NOR A GOLD REFINER. BUT I AM HUMAN. YOU WANT I SHOULD POINT THOSE THINGS OUT SPECIFICALLY? O.K. HERE GOES:

I'm going to be hard on you ,WHY? You have no business playing around with acids if you don't understand even the most basic concepts, HOW DO WE KNOW IF HE HAS THE MOST BASIC CONCEPTS? You have a lot of reading to do before you can even entertain conducting what are called familiarity tests, MAYBE HE HAS DONE A LOT OF READING. In no uncertain terms I can say that you have no business even asking these questions, I'd almost go as far as saying, if you have to ask, your not even close to being ready and should first read more to understand the process., IF HE DOESN'T ASK, HOW WILL HE EVER LEARN? You better have your sh** together, MEAN AND DISRESPECTFUL
Who here is really willing to risk their health to make 100.00?, EVERY ONE OF US. EVERY DAY. THINK ABOUT IT. Frankly speaking, you have no clue what you are suggesting as evidenced by your first post, and you need to stop thinking you have any clue how to proceed, MAYBE THAT'S WHY HE'S ASKING.
I might hurt your feelings or upset you, but frankly helping you save your life is far more important., AGREED. STILL SOMEWHAT HARSH. And if you think I am mad, you are right,this guys has NO IDEA what he is doing, MEAN AND DISRESPECTFUL This is just another "Darwin" issue. I'd rather just let the herd thin itself and know I didn't aid in the process. MEAN AND DISRESPECTFUL, OF NO USE attempting to explain to someone with no knowledge or experience how to recover and refine precious metals, HOW DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE OR EXPERIENCE HE HAS? I am encouraging the original poster to learn, and to do so before they ask questions that he has no business asking., I have told the original poster that they should not be asking questions because they don't know enough to even ask the right questions.,WHY DOES HE HAVE NO BUSINESS ASKING? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION, RIGHT? I do not want to be part of anyone's stupidity, CALLING HIM STUPID IS MEAN AND DISRESPECTFUL someone who doesn't know enough about chemistry to know the right questions to ask, SO ALL HIS QUESTIONS ARE WRONG? to be honest I rather sound like an angry jerk, If I sound pissed off, good, So I am sharp with my tongue, I am blunt and say exactly what I think without reservation, I hold nothing back and probably end up offending a few people.,
SELF-ADMITTED This forum and it's members have helped me in my own work beyond anything I could easily express here, THIS IS ALSO TRUE FOR MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS I believe this is the wrong place to be discussing how to recover and refine gold, I would suggest in the future that people who just cannot help posting their helpful instructions do so on GRF. Just simply point people in the correct direction to obtain all the information they will ever need in order to start safely, learning how to process and recover precious metals, or any metals for that matter. There is no good reason to post those lessons here, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN THE VERY FIRST AND ONLY RESPONSE IN THIS WHOLE THREAD. IMHO.
They are trying to save peoples lives.

What would you do if someone who has never driven anything wanted to know how to start a tractor trailer?, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. I GET THAT. SAFETY, SAVING LIVES, BEING RESPONSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND THAT 100%. THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. WHAT WOULD I DO? I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET PROPERLY TRAINED. I WOULD TRY TO GUIDE THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IN THIS CASE, THAT OTHER FORUM. I HOPE THIS HELPS ALL OF US.
BTW, SORRY FOR THE CAPS. JUST WANTED TO MY WORDS FROM OTHER PEOPLE WORDS FOR EASIER READING.

And Sky, the reason I posted what I did was not to make light or "hold him (Scott) to a higher authority" but he and a couple others have already went down the refining path and there are certain rules and procedures that have to be followed. They are our resident experts. Way to many people watch a video or two on youtube and think that they too can be a successful refiner. The OP has already started experimenting and needed to be guided the right direction.

I know how bad I would feel to find out that something I posted resulted in a severe injury or even killing someone down the line.
Sometimes you have to "beat them" with facts, gently.

If I offended you, get over it, or not!

You sound like you were offended by the words I chose, but if you read what you wrote, what you did was take what I said, then posted what it sounded like I was saying, to you.

Also, when I say things like "you don't know enough about chemistry to know you shouldn't have asked the question" I am referring to the fact that the OP did not understand that copper, nor gold, dissolve in HCl alone, which is what he was originally suggesting. Every chemistry student learns the basics, like the reactivity series for example, and understanding that HCl alone does not dissolve copper unless hot, or gold unless oxygen is present is basic chemistry. When he repeated it again, I re-stated what I said.

When it comes to saving someone from making a serious mistake I take things very seriously, when someone says something so basic that it's obvious they don't have even the slightest clue about even the most basic chemistry, I take action via words to make sure they keep themselves safe. But being insulting I was not.

What I do not do is read threads, and decide that I don't like the way someone was talking with someone else, and then post something coy about a that person in an insulting way. You understand the difference I hope, I was very blunt, very sharp with my words, brutally honest you might say, and what did the guy say he was going to do? Check out GRF. That was the intended end result and I'm really glad he is now seeking help where he should be. But I did that specifically because I knew this thread was never going to be able to give him the information, nor the safety information, he needed to do things correctly. YOU on the other hand, said some pretty nasty things about things you admittedly know nothing about. I'll apologize before hand for stating the obvious, but you sir do not even know enough about chemistry to understand what it was I was trying to point out, and had no business attempting to translate what I stated as something that should be taken offensively, because honestly, that is not the way it was intended, which is something I stated over and over again.

Sorry, but it sounds like you are the one picking on people to me. I call it like I see it. In none of my posts will you see me picking on people for the way they talk, for being verbose, for being concerned and expressing it in a non nonsense way that hopefully makes the person stop and take measure of what exactly it is they are proposing. I feel bad that you took such great offense at something that was never directed towards you, but I refuse to hold grown adults hands and play footsie with them, specially when their safety is concerned.

Again, I hope you don't take offense, what I say is not intended that way, but if you do choose to take offense it's on you brother, I am not saying anything offensive, but speaking the hard truth. My integrity means something to me, so I would appreciate it if you did not attempt to make it seem like I am trying to be disrespectful towards other members. Pointing out someone does not know something is not being disrespectful!

Scott!

Originally Posted by moosescrapper

I would like to sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone with my post. I did not intend to in any way make light of the gravity of the chemical procesess used in recovery and refining. I thank skylinejack for the kind words however am realizeing that perhaps it was a mistake to post a comment before reading the entire thread. I did not plagiarize other peoples posts as I had only read the first three replies and then made the rookie mistake of throwing in my two cents with out noticing that all that info was already there in the thread. I think that Scott is right in CLEARLY stating the dangers of using these chemicals. You can NEVER be too careful when recovering PM's. We may have different styles of encouraging people to read read read and study the hell out of what you want to do before doing it however the message is the same. Again, sorry Scott if my post seemed to step on your toes, that was not my intention. I agree that any question regarding such practices SHOULD be directed to the GRF. I also have to remind myself that not everyone thinks as I do so in making comments on forums I can not trust that the reader would do as I do and research and become as knowledgable as possible before starting in these processes. I spent at least six months preparing for my first attempt at using the A/P method. And yes, if you have to ask what that is, you DO need to spend some time in the GRF. The pics are a gruesome but legitimate warning to those using what i would consider an entry level acid. If you think the damage from that is bad, you havn't seen anything yet! Again, thanks Scott for being the sound voice of reason. To all those reading this thread, if you are able to derive tone from text and there appears to be some harsh responses, I don't think that is a bad thing. There are two sides to every gold plated RAM chip. The easiest side to see in the reward of the little micron thick flakes of gold, the harder side to see is the risks. You really can NOT hope to proceed with out fully knowing BOTH sides. Thanks for the info, and for tolerating my rant. Again thanks to all with the great info, and a plea of caution to those reading it.
PEACE!

I didn't take any offense at all over anything you said. Your post was actually very informative and worded very nice. I think it added value to what was being discussed. I feel kind of bad because you were not saying anything that shouldn't have been said. The problem really was that someone else used what you stated as a foundation to attack others from. It has nothing to do with you.

Don't ever stop posting the type of things you did in this thread, you are by no means or any stretch of the imagination incorrect in what you posted. Awesome job so far as I am concerned.

Scott

Scott I don't feel you were wrong in posting what you posted. Maybe a tad harsh but we have to be that way sometimes to get people to understand the dangers in what we work with in refining. But what has been done now is basicly one of the the process has been shown on this forum. Now as far as I know this is the first time this has been divulged here on this forum. So now when a search is done through the forum or the internet it will come to this thread some where down the line. There is more that needs to be learned by anyone that attempts to use this procedure or any other one for that fact. I agree that we need to be vigilant in watching out for everyones safety when posts like this are made. IHO we should guide them to the GRF and refrain from posting procedures here on the forum. You have done an exellent job of guiding people here on the forum. Wouldn't it have saved a lot of problems if you would have said the OP was incorrect in his thinking and guided him to the GRF and let it be handled there?

Barren;MECH688
This whole thread would be a standard state of affairs over "THERE"
We lost a new member, most likely, due to all of this self-richeous ranting from the GRF migrants from outside of THIS forum.
I really believe that ADMIN(here) noxx, steve (there) would disagree with very much on my aseesment.
To put things on the lighter side; Reading this thread I thought for a moment that I stumbled into a womens post menopausal forum.
YOU KNOW!............ Do as I say................not as I do

Why would you post something, and then start a list of all the important people on both forums who wouldn't agree with you?

Do you beat yourself with a stick when you're not expecting it too? Hahaha, sorry, just thought that was a little funny...

Has anyone ever noticed how it's always the people who don't refine, who chastise the people who do refine, who attempt to correct the people who want to refine? If you really wanted to help someone, wouldn't you be trying to help the person who wants to refine instead of harping on the people who are trying to correct, help, and point in the right direction the ones who want to refine?

Scott

Originally Posted by Mechanic688

And Sky, the reason I posted what I did was not to make light or "hold him (Scott) to a higher authority" but he and a couple others have already went down the refining path and there are certain rules and procedures that have to be followed. They are our resident experts. Way to many people watch a video or two on youtube and think that they too can be a successful refiner. The OP has already started experimenting and needed to be guided the right direction.

I know how bad I would feel to find out that something I posted resulted in a severe injury or even killing someone down the line.
Sometimes you have to "beat them" with facts, gently.

If I offended you, get over it, or not!

Mech, I believe I said:
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. I GET THAT. SAFETY, SAVING LIVES, BEING RESPONSIBLE. I UNDERSTAND THAT 100%. THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.

What was I referring to you ask? The way certain members of SMF treated the OP. It could've been handled a little better and with a lot fewer words. That's all. This guy was told that he shouldn't even be asking any questions. The questions he did ask were wrong. He was called stupid and he was told he better get his sh** together. I could go on and on and on. He was treated bad. All that could've been avoided simply by stating the warnings and guiding him to GRF. He was way more than just "gently beat with facts".

You say: he and a couple others have already went down the refining path and there are certain rules and procedures that have to be followed. They are our resident experts.

When did SMF become a gold refining forum? I do not see that catagory here. Am I missing something? So please explain to me why we need "resident experts" in gold refining.

Did you offend me with your choice of words in your praise of one certain member here? Eh, maybe a little. Did I lose one second of sleep over it? Not one bit. Do I agree with it? Not one bit.

If I offended you, get over it, or not!

Originally Posted by NobleMetalWorks

You sound like you were offended by the words I chose, but if you read what you wrote, what you did was take what I said, then posted what it sounded like I was saying, to you.

Also, when I say things like "you don't know enough about chemistry to know you shouldn't have asked the question" I am referring to the fact that the OP did not understand that copper, nor gold, dissolve in HCl alone, which is what he was originally suggesting. Every chemistry student learns the basics, like the reactivity series for example, and understanding that HCl alone does not dissolve copper unless hot, or gold unless oxygen is present is basic chemistry. When he repeated it again, I re-stated what I said.

When it comes to saving someone from making a serious mistake I take things very seriously, when someone says something so basic that it's obvious they don't have even the slightest clue about even the most basic chemistry, I take action via words to make sure they keep themselves safe. But being insulting I was not.

What I do not do is read threads, and decide that I don't like the way someone was talking with someone else, and then post something coy about a that person in an insulting way. You understand the difference I hope, I was very blunt, very sharp with my words, brutally honest you might say, and what did the guy say he was going to do? Check out GRF. That was the intended end result and I'm really glad he is now seeking help where he should be. But I did that specifically because I knew this thread was never going to be able to give him the information, nor the safety information, he needed to do things correctly. YOU on the other hand, said some pretty nasty things about things you admittedly know nothing about. I'll apologize before hand for stating the obvious, but you sir do not even know enough about chemistry to understand what it was I was trying to point out, and had no business attempting to translate what I stated as something that should be taken offensively, because honestly, that is not the way it was intended, which is something I stated over and over again.

Sorry, but it sounds like you are the one picking on people to me. I call it like I see it. In none of my posts will you see me picking on people for the way they talk, for being verbose, for being concerned and expressing it in a non nonsense way that hopefully makes the person stop and take measure of what exactly it is they are proposing. I feel bad that you took such great offense at something that was never directed towards you, but I refuse to hold grown adults hands and play footsie with them, specially when their safety is concerned.

Again, I hope you don't take offense, what I say is not intended that way, but if you do choose to take offense it's on you brother, I am not saying anything offensive, but speaking the hard truth. My integrity means something to me, so I would appreciate it if you did not attempt to make it seem like I am trying to be disrespectful towards other members. Pointing out someone does not know something is not being disrespectful!

Scott!

Scott, I did read what I wrote. I also read what you wrote. You wrote : "if you would, I would like you to point out those things specifically so that if I was involved in any of those types of comments, I can learn from my mistakes" Then you said "It's one thing to state that SMF members should have treated the OP better, but without stating exactly what those things are, how is anyone to learn from all the mistakes that were made in this thread you have eluded to?"

I did what you asked me to do. I did not post it so that it sounded like you were speaking to me. I simply pointed out what you asked me to point out. You say you were not being insulting. If you were to read and comprehend both your own words and mine you should be able to see you were extremely insulting to this guy. You say you do not post anything coy in an insulting way. I say it's time to man up and admit that you were very insulting to the OP. And others. You claim I said some pretty nasty things about things I admittedly know nothing about. I did not. I know nothing about gold refining and I said nothing about gold refining. I did not attempt to translate anything you said. In the same sentence you try to belittle me by assuming I have little to no knowledge of chemistry. You would know this how? However, I will admit this: I put very little stock or faith in science. Or anyone who studies science. About the same amount as I put in bankers or politicians. Hmm, no offense intended , of course. You say I am picking on people. That statement , to me, sounds plain childish. I was trying use a little constructive criticism. Some people have a thick enough skin to know and accept the difference. I call it like I see it. You seem very worried that I take offense at you and your words. As I've said before, I assure you I will lose not one second of sleep over anything you ever say. I want you to understand I was not trying to chastise you in any way. I most certainly wish all gold refining questions were guided to the correct forum as I do not see what it has to do with SMF in any way.

I'll leave you,sir, with the great words of wisdom from our wonderful moderator Mechanic688:
If I offended you, get over it, or not!