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Originally Posted by Paveitall

i guess you will need to read the post where I was asked to introduce myself. It is a lot of material and I came here looking for answers and I guess it just makes people mad. No worries

Alright, I just wanna say, you need to hop down off the cross there, buddy.

That "mad" you're sensing is just the people who have been on this forum for years, and who have READ THIS FORUM for years rolling their eyes at yet another new visitor asking the same questions that have been covered numerous times in this forum. Then, when said new visitor wasn't not only spoon-fed the answers, but not spoon-fed the answers that he was already convinced that he was going to hear, he got mad.



10 tons is hella weight. It's way more than I'll ever see unless & until I grow way more contacts. But it's likely that the people you're looking at dealing with wouldn't bother to sweep 10 tons off the floor if it fell. They run so much weight 10 tons ain't squat to them. You're a one-off guy who's already said you don't know how to sort boards... if you show up with 10 tons of ""motherboards"" and it turns out you've got everything from actual motherboards down to brown TV boards in your gaylords, then you're gonna be in for a very rude awakening when instead of a big 30% check, the refiner sends you a big 30% BILL for processing your load.

I suggest you back up & read these forums. Learn to sort your boards. Find out exactly what it is you have, and sell it to someone who knows what they are doing and sends ten tons of properly sorted material regularly, to a refiner they've worked with before. THAT is where you'll make the best return on your money until you become the guy that can regularly ship ten tons of properly sorted material directly to a refiner.

Originally Posted by Paveitall

Ok, just got down off the cross, thanks for the suggestion.

Good start... keep it going with the suggestions in the last paragraph and you'll do just fine.

OP contacted me back in April, I gave him lots of information about how the business works. He has popped up here, leading me to believe he was a different person, but I treated him to the same advice.

Allow me to give everyone some advice. BE HONEST. Give us buyers an honest answer when we ask how much material you have, what you have and so forth. IF you claim to have unusual quantity and I quote you a high, low margin price it's because you are creating less work for me to do at that price point making it affordable. This is a fast way to get on the bad side of a buyer when you are not forthcoming with your material. It's not a race, it's certainly not a contest of any sort, accurately describing your material on hand is EXACTLY the way to do business. For this reason scrap yards broker contracts as a protection measure against weight inflation and material quality. If the seller isn't up to the task, ultimately for that scrap yard, it won't hurt their bottom line...but it does hurt mine.

last piece of advice today: It's ok for everyone to make money. The time spent chasing pennies on the ground eats up time, and time ultimately is the nondenom we cannot get back. Oh and while your chasing around extra pennies, your money isn't yet yours and you aren't making any extra in the meantime. Buy, sell, buy, sell, develop good business relationships, continue this process of buying and selling until your growth requires you to change your rhythm. Getting ahead of yourself will bankrupt you. Of the five largest board buyers I know of in the United States, only one does their own refining in house. Of the three or four largest processors I know of, only two have ebay stores. Think about this carefully. Niche markets and buyers exist because they have proven to be better suited than the person selling them the material. Some might say "Oh you are just defending your business." Sure am, and everyone else who buys here. There is roughly a dozen or more ESTABLISHED buyers of all kind of things here. These people represent probably more than a century of experience in the market. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICE.

Originally Posted by eesakiwi

I have a feeling that WiFi boards is something that can attract 'higher than escrap prices'.
Something to do with some WiFi boards being of a better quality/higher baud rates/recyclable.

There's a sub market in China where they buy specific parts and use them to make new items.
The little LCD screens, WiFi boards, tablets, CCD cameras from laptops.
They figure out what they want to make, find escrap with the required parts and buy it, make the item and sell it domestically.
Once they have a buying market for their item, they may start buying brand new parts, much cheaper in bulk, and manufacture for a export market.

The best example I have of this is a family business that made scrolling LED message boards/advertising signs.
They used a certain chip out of a certain cellphone to control the board.
When the cellphone was manufactured the makers needed a certain programme to control the Text message setup.
They found it was cheaper to just buy a existing proven standalone chip and use that in the phone, the time saving in development ment they could sell a new function in a cellphone earlier than their rivals.
Of course next year the programs/chip was incorporated into other chips in the phone.

The sign maker used this chip,, recycled its cheaper than the new chip, manufactured the signs using other recycled parts for a domestic market, made a profit, set up the manufacturing plant, grew it to the point they could export and was able to get better prices for new parts in the long run.

Bingo, I work with manufacturers overseas who do EXACTLY this. Not everything I'm buying has a ebay market, but some of the strangest things have a remanufacturing purpose.

Originally Posted by armygreywolf

OP contacted me back in April, I gave him lots of information about how the business works. He has popped up here, leading me to believe he was a different person, but I treated him to the same advice.

Wow... funny how people in this industry can spot a bull$#!++er even through forum posts.

When you can't sort boards at all, but you just fell into 10 tons of high grade ewaste.... hmmmmmmmm.

To the OP of this thread. Why would anyone on the forum want to give you the recipe for success when the old timers are already in the thick of things? No offense to the folks that have been here on the forum for a long time.

To the OP of this thread. Have you done your homework? Are you sure on your yields from a certain type on PCB ?

To the OP is your pockets deep enough to withstand a dramatic down turn in the metals market?

My advice to everyone is to be a high grader or a so called cherry picker in your scrap processing.

No disrespect to the buyers here on the forum but if the members here on the forum think that the buyers are basing the buying price they pay for scrap is based on the spot price they are being gulliable.

Originally Posted by eastky

To the OP of this thread. Why would anyone on the forum want to give you the recipe for success when the old timers are already in the thick of things? No offense to the folks that have been here on the forum for a long time.

To the OP of this thread. Have you done your homework? Are you sure on your yields from a certain type on PCB ?

To the OP is your pockets deep enough to withstand a dramatic down turn in the metals market?

My advice to everyone is to be a high grader or a so called cherry picker in your scrap processing.

No disrespect to the buyers here on the forum but if the members here on the forum think that the buyers are basing the buying price they pay for scrap is based on the spot price they are being gulliable.

Would love to see more paid members as well as buyers to this forum such as yourself

Originally Posted by eastky

Mike I live in Lynch Ky in Harlan county. I will be a buyer here on the forum soon. I just need to get things in order first.

COOL Competition is always good......The minimal cost of being a paid member here is def worth it

Originally Posted by auminer

Wow... funny how people in this industry can spot a bull$#!++er even through forum posts.

When you can't sort boards at all, but you just fell into 10 tons of high grade ewaste.... hmmmmmmmm.

Not really what I was insinuating there. He sent me an email that was connected from april. I just don't like people who tell me things like "Ohhh yea, I've got 250 i7s what can you do on those?" I don't need someone to exaggerate what they have to get my attention. I give the best possible customer service whether you show up with a bed full of stuff or a Ryder truck. The frequency this is happening is becoming alarming on this forum, I just ask people to be humble, respectful and HONEST about doing business.

I openly state this too. If you need help, ASK. Half my day is answering questions and doing paperwork these days. Use resources, earn your time, don't exploit people.

Originally Posted by CapitalRecovery

LOL I have about 30 wifi cards
maybe.

And you would get the same service from me with 30 that you would with 3,000. That is the long and short of my point to be made. I didn't intend to be the integrity police lol.