Thanks dude that would be great to find an old kiln for cheap but as you know this is ceramic zone down here, retirement city, well use to be. Anyway they just don't go very cheap these days. Being I am just wanting something small for experiments at this point I don't want to spend very much on first attempt.

I was thinking fireplace supply would at least have fire clay. I think I can come up with the other ingredients from cheaper resources.

Here is a good list of DIY refractory compositions, http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/showth...y-Compositions