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    Hoarding

    A lot of people on here are concerned with where scrap prices are going and because of that a lot are hoarding waiting for better prices. What do y'all think about this. I am currently hoarding all my copper, brass, ss, electric motors and transformers and selling all the steel and tin. I am also holding on to my CPUs, ram, and fingers for a little extra insurance. I am selling everything else that I get.

    What, if anything, are y'all hoarding? Also do y'all think it is beneficial in the long run?



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    I myself do not hoard anything. I accumulate what I can and take it to the yards about once or twice a week. I am not as established as some of the members an the forum so I use that money to grow my business. I feel that continuing to find new sources is a better use of capital. Now if I had a steady stream of stuff to process and didn't need the money it would be different.

    For example.

    100 pounds of copper. @ $3.25 = $325.00
    @ $2.60 = $260.00
    @ $2.40 = $240.00

    The difference between $3.25 and $2.40 is $85.00.

    IMO even if I only get $240.00 that cash can be used to grow my business. Run small print ads, print more flyers, pay kids to drop flyers in doors. One good hit on an ad or flyer and the $85.00 will more than be made up for. I don't have deep pockets so I need to find the best use of my materials and hoarding right now isn't a good fit for my size.

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    The only time you sell in the recycling business is if you need cash or you run out of space,the prices are all ways higher in the winter mounths due to supply and demand lots of end users are closed or cut down there production of there products in the summer mounths if you can get by just selling your tin and steel you will be in great shap in the fall,i hope you have a big bank roll to get you through the summer

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    Holding all out copper,ss, brass. Appliance and any thin wire not worth it to strip we are accumulating into two 45 gal pails and turning in when they get full along with all light steel. Turning over the computers as soon as the milk crates and boxes are full. Turned in two loads of mobos,power supplies,finger cards, floppys and harddrives last month for over 1k. Haven't shipped any proc chips or memory yet. All money that we get we hold about 10% to use as buy money and to advertise.
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    I'm not a fan of hoarding. Sitting on capital hoping the market goes up versus selling and re-investing in the business seems like a no-brainer. I constantly adjust the prices I pay as the market moves to keep the same profit margin.

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    The only thing that has been steady is the computer components with very minor fluctuations. Follow the buyers prices on here, ewasteds just changed his pricing with only a couple of prices moving. That last change was from posted prices from June 1. I think he only updated them on July 5 or 6. The metal markets having been changing weekly and as far as light steel sometimes daily. I will take my chances and hold onto the pm's as long as I can. Have plenty of steel to separate and towers to tear down.

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    To answer the op question, I think it is based on everyone's own situation. My opinion is that if you have a steady stream of material, like steel and or computers, then I would hold all the pm's and make money on the other stuff. For me I did well last month doing just that. We sold all our pm's in early June, have been concentrating on computers and lt steel and any pm's are being saved for after the summer. Still have enough money to reinvest into more computers, the curb picking has been great with less competition, and have been putting money in the pocket.

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    I hope to get myself in the situation where I can sit on materials for the winter. Just a small fluctuation in price can be win. Let's be honest 10% or 20% is alot more than the money will earn in alot of other investments. I am trying to get into a commercial building right now so I can buy from the public. So every five gallon bucket of wire goes. I keep putting money away and turning what I get quick.

    I hope by fall to to be in a new building on a busy street buying computer scrap and insulated wire on routes.

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    I too hope to be in a different building soon. I need to hire someone badly..... just can't justify it monetarily yet..... soon...... real soon. I try not to hoard anything as I get enough of a steady supply to stay busy..... in fact, i stay behind on work!
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    Since I teach and run a landscape business throughout the summer, I have basically been hoarding everything except steel (as I don’t have the space) until the fall/winter months for some additional income. I am especially hoarding anything that might have higher than scrap value until I have time this winter to research and list it. I do typically cash in some things every August when were about to go on vacation.

    The fluctuation in prices don’t really bother me, as others have said, you should simply be adjusting your prices so that your profit margins are the same. If you haven’t already you should be seeing less competition. Anyone driving $20,000 F150’s 30 miles to pickup a refrigerator was doomed to fail from the beginning and as prices drop this will become ever more apparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freonjoe View Post
    I'm not a fan of hoarding. Sitting on capital hoping the market goes up versus selling and re-investing in the business seems like a no-brainer. I constantly adjust the prices I pay as the market moves to keep the same profit margin.
    Thanks Joe. I needed someone to say it in a manner that makes sense to me. Every piece of scrap I bring in is free money and I forget that sometimes.
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    I agree with Burly, 95% of everything I get is free so if I make 1.00 or 10.00 it's free money.

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    Should be the SMF motto Every piece of scrap I bring in is free money

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    Only thing ill sit on right now is Ins#2 prices are god awful around here with cord ends left on. I rather just bring in a few 1000 pounds this winter and have a good holiday. going rate around here now is .65 a lb :-

    We have been getting so busy that i have to determine if i need to stop by my buyer half way through appointments just to make room for more boards.

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    I'm not hoarding anything at the moment. I move it as I get it and I have a fairly steady stream coming in. Most likely the prices will go back up this fall/winter but there's always the chance they don't or they fall even more. I'd rather take what I can get now and deal with future prices in the future.

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    I started hoarding, but for a while I was too focused on dismantling and neglected the storage part. Now my copper bucket is a tangled mess of wire. Making tidy wound bundles will take hours.

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    I hoarding everything right now. But will sell steel in the winter when prices are better. I'm also holding on some escrap until prices look better. I work a full time job so I can afford to hold out.

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    I'm not hoarding anything. I thought about it but I don't want to stash metal in the woods to become full of bees and mice either when it would come time to turn it in if steel prices go back up.

    Also, because I work alone - if something (god forbid) happened to me, all that stuff would be stuck at my dads place. Lol, none of my kids would go turn it in and clean it up.

    Weird way of thinking I know but it works for me. Just have to take the bad with the good right now.

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    Geiser093;86663] Let's be honest 10% or 20% is alot more than the money will earn in alot of other investments.
    That is kinda my strategy right now. I am turning in everything, taking the money and buying old cars for 100-200$ and sitting on those. In the meantime parting out some, and turning in some more scrap and repeat.
    When the price goes up I can dolly them to the yard. Buying cars at that price I can double my money now but I'll wait when the prices go up and I shall cash in the extra 10-30% on top.

    Lucky for me I work full time and this is my sideline. So I can sit on some vehicles for now. It has worked pretty good for me so far.
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    i try to hoard the higher ticket items. Only turn in processers once or twice a year. Telecom boards when i get a gaylord full and so forth. If i turn it all in now when i dont "need the money" the wife finds out and makes plans with it. I consider it money in the bank.


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