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I think if you put the plastic back into a fridge it should be no problem. As stated a % of plastic / other is built into the price a yard gets for the steel. And when it finaly goes to a shreader, I am sure there is a buyer for the waste product. If there was not all metal items would need to have to be cleaned of all metal, wood, glass ect.
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ZORBA-Recyclable Concentrates of Shredded Mixed Nonferrous Scrap Metal
Concentrates of Shredded Mixed Nonferrous Scrap Metal in Pieces-Derived from Fragmentizers for Further Separation of Contained Materials Shall be made up of a combination of the nonferrous metals: aluminum, copper, lead, magnesium, stainless steel, nickel, tin, and zinc, in elemental or alloyed (solid) form. The percentage of each of these metals within the nonferrous concentrate shall be subject to agreement between buyer and seller, may vary from shredder to shredder and may, in some cases, be zero for a particular metal. Shall be obtained by air separation, flotation, screening, eddy current, other segregation technique(s) or a combination of the same. Shall have passed one or more magnets to reduce or eliminate free iron and/or iron attachments. Shall be free of radioactive material, dross or ash. May be screened to permit description by specific size ranges. May contain high density non-metallics such as rock, glass, rubber, plastic and wood. Items of exclusion, inclusion or limitation not set out in the above specifications, such as moisture and free iron and/or attachments or the presence or absence of other metals, are subject to agreement between buyer and seller. Material to be traded under this guideline shall be identified as ZORBA with a number to follow indicating the estimated percentage nonferrous metal content of the material (e.g. ZORBA 63 - means the material contains approximately 63% nonferrous metal content).
http://www.southerncrossmetalrecycle...ecyclable.html
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Thanks, hobo! Info like this is why I joined the forum.
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Going by what I have seen at the scrap yards and what I have done, I can't see how it would be cheating the yard if the plastic that came with the fridge went with it to the yard. If they want it removed they should state it. Look at it this way, when you scrap towers some of those have plastic covering the metal cases and most have plastic on the faces as well. Are we supposed to pull that off as well? Not me and i also put whatever plastic came from the inside, back in the case when I re-attach the cover. I have never had anyone say to do it differently. And after reading the above posts it is obvious that somewhere down the line someone is getting paid for the plastic that is left attached or inside of something. I think our job is tough enough when trying to get every piece of copper,alum,ss or whatever off of whatever we scrap, I know I don't get paid for a pm that is left on but somebody is down the line so I don't see the problem. Now as far as bottom loading a barrel of tin with plastic that i don't agree with, that hurts us all in the pocket if the yards have to take in more than what they expect. I also agree that loading a piece of copper and crimping the ends is also a bad idea. I know a place that if you get caught doing it they will pass your name around to other local yards and blacklist you, and possibly stick that pipe where the sun don't shine. I think the bottom line is this, know your yard and what they take. We are all involved in business in some form or another and should use some ethics. You don't like to get screwed over so don't do it to someone else.
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some4 items it has become the custom to leave the plastiv, like friges and air cond, but that is why they pay a lower price then #2 to just throw in anti metal is un ethical, but some yards are unethicle by nature so........ is it fair??????? for me it is immoral so I don,t do it. as also I avoid unethicle yards. what any one else does isn't my business but, that dosen't meen I have to like it or condone it. I do onto others what I expect them to do onto me.
In my humble opinion most of what is wrong with the world today is not who is doing who, but who is doing what to who. but then thats just me.
Last edited by EcoSafe; 08-22-2012 at 12:56 PM.
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My yard will not take plastic tub dishwashers or bikes with tires on them, I took them home and broke them down more. When I go to the yard and see those item in with the steel it kinda pisses me off. But it's there rules. I will follow, but It seems others get away with it as no one was watching or cared as they snuck them in...
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I do. I strip all the plastic from the towers - including the base legs. As far as I know the ABS plastic (largely used in towers and consumer electronics) is difficult to recycle and therefore not attractive for separation. ABS plastic often ends up in the big metallurgical furnaces with all the toxic fumes that plastic gives. Though I am busy, I feel responsible to keep the enviroment clean - just for 5 minutes more I save a galon of toxic gases. Yes, I know, that I lose 2 times - first from the weight of tower, second - by "wasting" my time. I can take both in the name of the air we all breath.Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER
If you ask me what I do with ABS, there is a local municipal service that collects it for free. I don't know what they do with it - in the best case they recycle it, in the worst - they throw it on the landfill. Still better than burning in the furnace.
Last edited by alpha2000; 08-22-2012 at 03:39 PM. Reason: punctuation
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I actually take my plastic to a company that buys it at 50 bucks a ton, not the 200 I'm currently getting for shred, but better than paying to dispose, so it's not like I don't have a way to get some money for it.
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Why do the yards not have a price for clean sheet iron? A few more cents a pound?
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The yard I use does. They classify it as #1 and #2. #1 is sheet steel (appliances and such) with no plastic, glass, etc. It pays about $20 more per ton than #2 which is basically appliances that are complete.
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I think the average percentage a shredder assumes is fluff in thin is about 35%. Also that fluff is usually transported to an industrail landfill to use as cover, which costs the scrap yard. You have to pay to have that stuff hauled off. I just had a customer yesterday that was bringing in loads of white goods, a few a day, and they were disposing of their trash in the same loads. We just satared doing business with this compnay, and we just stopped doing business with them on the second day. We dont want trash. We are in the bsiness of buying metal, not wood, not trash, not water, etc. A lot of people try to take advantage of the fact that some wate products are factored into the price by throwing everything thing they find into the tin category. Yards have to be very diligent about grading material. As for clean steel, #2 HMS is steel under a 1/4" thick generally, and #1 HMS is 1/4" and thincker.
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Lots of good info and insite into people thinnking im glad i read this post. Myself i wouldnt return it. My scrap yard says as long as a min of 85% weight is steel your good. I no longer strip the fabric of those fold up chairs but i no longer scrap out coffee pots and such i just cut the cord and go. Bottom line is they are buying the metal preferably nothing else and when ya deal with non ferrous the better you clean it the better the pay. Besides i like my scrap yard and want to keep a good relationship with them.
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How about when you get a washer that has a brick bolted to it? I remove those...
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I take those off too Hobo...Also the newer front load washers that are starting to crap out have rings of cement on the front and back of them that should be removed before turning in.
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I found one the other day!
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Man, one guy asks a question about doing the right thing, and even concedes himself that the guilt is not worth $.60, for which I applaud him. After that it goes on and on about where to draw the "line." Sure there are times it doesn't make since to pull EVEREYTHING out, and at other times it's too easy to do the right thing. The refrigerator idea was a perfect analogy. No I don't pull out all that styrofoam from the inside, but it's too easy to grab the shelves and drawers from it. My theory is that scrap yards want to remain competitive in their pricing. If they had less fluff to deal with, it would be easier for them to do so. And we've all seen someone throw on a piece that was 20 lbs plastic and 1 lb metal. That doesn't meen you have to. Be the better person, be the professional.
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True Story that just happened. I was scrapping on the way home from work and I go into a small 4 block subdivision. A couple streets down a brown chevy comes out a street and is following me. Up at the end is a culvisack. I see a patio umbrella so i go to look at it. Dude follows me and stops I got out first so he turned around and stopped at the end of the colvisack. The umbrella was wood and a canister of 10 or 20 gallons of deck sealer unopened. I kicked it and it was full so i didnt take it. Guy pulls back up and says thanks for letting me take this. I said its full of sealer so i dont want it. He says the yard lets you dump it out. I was ready to use some choice words but im not fighting in the street over b.s. so I said i dont know about that one, have a good night buddy. Right like the yard is ganna pay him for 50 lbs of liquid. Cant wait till hes caught and banned. Talk about cheating
Last edited by greytruck; 08-23-2012 at 11:33 PM. Reason: spelling again
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Is that why those stupid things are so heavy?
I helped my sister and brother in law move the other day, and she had a front-loader washer. There was no water in it. My B-I-L and I about busted a nut trying to get that washer up the stairs! It must have weighed 3x what the dryer did. Cement, huh? Jeez.
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That's some of the stuff that gives us a bad rep. One of the things I love about smf (besides the wealth of knowledge) is the constant encouragement to remain professional and ethical.
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If your conscience bothers you, fill em with your bits. Meaning screws, bolts, misc tide-bits.
I fill my fridges including the plastic drawers with small bits. All the plastics stay in. They can become very dense when you fill them. Your yard may differ from mine. I would just use it like a tote. Besides no one wants screws and bolts on the ground.
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