As a seller on ebay I doubt I'll have much to add to this thread

[gustavus]

When this most current dispute has been judged and paid out unjustly to the buyer this will end my ebay career.

Just because I do not accept returns the buyer gets to keep the goods, yea all $360.00 worth.

I really used to enjoy finding stuff others needed to complete a car or tractor restoration, now its a dog eat dog auction world and ebay can sleep in their own dung.

[PartTimeScrapper]

When this most current dispute has been judged and paid out unjustly to the buyer this will end my ebay career.

Just because I do not accept returns the buyer gets to keep the goods, yea all $360.00 worth.

I really used to enjoy finding stuff others needed to complete a car or tractor restoration, now its a dog eat dog auction world and ebay can sleep in their own dung.

They will have to ship it back to you to get a refund.

[gustavus]

They will have to ship it back to you to get a refund.

Your right PTS, in my anger passed over it,

Hi gustavus1,

We're sorry there was a problem with this transaction. After reviewing the case, we made a final decision in the buyer's favor.

Details:
Decision:
This case has been decided in the buyer's favor.

Comments:
The buyer has been asked to return the item to you. Once tracking shows the item has been delivered to you, the buyer will be issued a full refund.
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[jghilino]

They will have to ship it back to you to get a refund.

not true, chargebacks will get there money back for them and they get to keep the item, i find that its best to split stuff up into smaller amounts to lessen the risk. But obviously its not always possible to split up items. Sell in 1 pound lots vs 10 pounds. Or sell cards individually instead of a lot of 10, and so on.

gustavus:
Dont let one bad sale set your opinion of ebay. Ive been thru that 50 times over. Until you accept the fact that: the customer is always right even if they are a thief, you will have problems doing business online. If you look at it form a business standpoint like i do it would just be a $360 loss, plus $100 loss on shipping plus a $100 loss on fees paid, so i would just claim it as a $560 loss against my income. It takes lemons to make lemonade.

There are far more decent people out there than there are lairs and cheats. The problem is the 1% make the other 99% look bad.

[PartTimeScrapper]

WOW that is total BS. I dont take returns on most of my stuff either. Most of the time if they get an item and they say it doesnt work I just refund them the money anyway. But that totaly sucks. I have over 1000 ebay sales under my belt now and I can honistly say this has never happened to me. Sorry to hear about it gus.

[gustavus]

Ok guys in my haste and anger overlooked the part where ebay says once the item has been return and verified via tracking the buyer will get a full refund.

There is a possibility the buyer already had a non working Megavision Digital Camera Back and there maybe a parts switch happening here, In an earlier comm had shown particualr interest in the 25 ft and pigtail cables that connect the digital back to the computer.

Since everything on ebay including theor disputes need a mouse click to get the ball rolling, the ball is in my field. I have decided not to sign the delivery confirmation thus leaving the package in limbo. You see I would also have to pay Customs Duty on this package coming back into Canada this is the main reason i do not accept returns.

Now what do you suppose would happen if say in six or twelve months time ebay still has not received delivery confirmation, who is going to get that money their holding. With out delivery confiramtion it would appear the buyer had a change of heart keeping the item. Legally can they claim it for themselves.

[gustavus]

not true, chargebacks will get there money back for them and they get to keep the item, i find that its best to split stuff up into smaller amounts to lessen the risk. But obviously its not always possible to split up items. Sell in 1 pound lots vs 10 pounds. Or sell cards individually instead of a lot of 10, and so on.

gustavus:
Dont let one bad sale set your opinion of ebay. Ive been thru that 50 times over. Until you accept the fact that: the customer is always right even if they are a thief, you will have problems doing business online. If you look at it form a business standpoint like i do it would just be a $360 loss, plus $100 loss on shipping plus a $100 loss on fees paid, so i would just claim it as a $560 loss against my income. It takes lemons to make lemonade.

There are far more decent people out there than there are lairs and cheats. The problem is the 1% make the other 99% look bad.

Agreed read my last post, I have written it off with vengeance.

It's not the money but principal behind this that bothers me..

You see during the buyers and my communications I gave him the guys telephone number from whom I had purchased the camera back from there should have never been a dispute, now you know why I'm going to refuse delivery. I refuse to be worked over with a parts switch.

[jghilino]

you are lucky it wasnt a chargeback, been there done that, or a case where ebay refunds there money and they are not required to return the item been there also

[PartTimeScrapper]

Ok guys in my haste and anger overlooked the part where ebay says once the item has been return and verified via tracking the buyer will get a full refund.

There is a possibility the buyer already had a non working Megavision Digital Camera Back and there maybe a parts switch happening here, In an earlier comm had shown particualr interest in the 25 ft and pigtail cables that connect the digital back to the computer.

Since everything on ebay including theor disputes need a mouse click to get the ball rolling, the ball is in my field. I have decided not to sign the delivery confirmation thus leaving the package in limbo. You see I would also have to pay Customs Duty on this package coming back into Canada this is the main reason i do not accept returns.

Now what do you suppose would happen if say in six or twelve months time ebay still has not received delivery confirmation, who is going to get that money their holding. Legally can they claim it for themselves.

Return is on the buyer. If he doesnt pay for the duty and customs to get the package back to you how could you accept it?

[jghilino]

Depends on the return policy, either buyer pays return shipping or seller pays return shipping depending on what your policy is. In this case since there was no return policy, return shipping cost is on the buyer. However your money will remain locked up until the item is returned or paypal removes the hold on the transaction.There is no time limit on a hold. Ive had payments on hold for 6 months and longer during the chargeback process.

[PartTimeScrapper]

Just thought of another funny. Check and see if he marks it as a gift comming back to you. Then turn him in for custums fraud.

[gustavus]

WOW that is total BS. I dont take returns on most of my stuff either. Most of the time if they get an item and they say it doesnt work I just refund them the money anyway. But that totaly sucks. I have over 1000 ebay sales under my belt now and I can honistly say this has never happened to me. Sorry to hear about it gus.

I'm up there with you at 1020 wih many repeat customers. Then there is those who prefer to remain anonymous and leave no feedback, Pats account is 852 which are mostly my sales.

[Bear]

Wouldn't the shipper mark it as "package delivery refused"?

[Re-cycler]

Ebay is a cesspool.....I quit pay pal when I heard ebay was getting involved and not long after they acquired it they really locked sellers down with new rules and fees.
I spent several years hanging around the ebay Q&A chat board and saw every possible scam and loophole on a daily basis.........I still buy but have never sold there.
most of my purchases are these days are paid for with cash or USPS money orders.
Even my $1500. 72 Sportster was paid off in three payments of $500. cash but I was only twenty minutes away from the bike and the seller had his phone number on the auction so we talked before I bid and I layed $500 cash in his hand the next day after winning the auction and after looking the bike over.
On all ebay transactions I always check sellers feedback first then email the seller and ask about alternative payment before I bid.
Anything over 20 or 30 bucks I usually us money orders unless it's a local pickup.
I've done real well on CL where you deal with your customers by email and phone before ever meeting or turning over an item to them.
My last two trades have put a 99 H-D Evo on a 1957 panhead frame and a 78 limited edition Vette with 82,000 mile on the body and less than 10,000 on a new 350 GM crate motor in my driveway my total cash investment in my part of those trades was $4800.00
I'll turn the Vette into another harley before the snow melts I hope......

[unknownk]

I think buyers don't have to return items under a small dollar amount to get their refund. Anybody who has sold anything has been scammed at least once in their lives, you have to get over it and maybe learn a thing or two and then get back in the game. Ebay could care less if you quit selling car parts, they only realy like the large volume sellers anyway which is why they get the best treatment and discounts. I find many more scammers on craigslist then ebay, some will even kill you for items (never heard about that on ebay).

[billygoat]

Since everything on ebay including theor disputes need a mouse click to get the ball rolling, the ball is in my field. I have decided not to sign the delivery confirmation thus leaving the package in limbo. You see I would also have to pay Customs Duty on this package coming back into Canada this is the main reason i do not accept returns.

Now what do you suppose would happen if say in six or twelve months time ebay still has not received delivery confirmation, who is going to get that money their holding. With out delivery confiramtion it would appear the buyer had a change of heart keeping the item. Legally can they claim it for themselves.

I'm not sure about the Canadian postal system's use of "delivery confirmation," but delivery confirmation originating in the states you don't sign for it. It just gets scanned and dropped off. Certified Mail has to be signed for.

[gustavus]

Just thought of another funny. Check and see if he marks it as a gift comming back to you. Then turn him in for custums fraud.

Too funny for words, i would hate to cross you.

[gustavus]

I don't believe it I've been selling on ebay since June of 98, never had so much a problem , now I'm getting a rash of disputes filed against me yes another one arrived this morning. With the economy so poor, the shysters are coming out of the woodwork in droves.

This auction was a heavy pioneer amp sold for $125.00 heavy shipping $60.00, and to think I sell my gold and silver from ebay. Ha Ha not anymore.

I'm not going to play Santa Clause to the indigent..

The funnest part is that my bank account was down to $11.00 so I deposited $200.00 yesterday to shore up my account a bit then today Paypal grabs $123.00 for the dispute. As you can see from my account balance I'm far from being a rich man.

[gustavus]

My reply to the buyer, told him to hang in there a Representative would be along shorty to refund his payment as paypal had said funds in escrow.

Perhaps I should become a player in this new buyers game to help offset my losses, heh heh. Petty crime is not my nature.

[Gangel]

I like to lurk, get a laugh out of things... but I guess selling tri-stacked china plates as "factory" made is ok on ebay, and taking back power tools that were already wrote off as defective and getting new products for them is ok too? Just had to point this out... Karma will get you.