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    Copper Analysis 2014-03-26

    It has been over a year since my last copper analysis, as I have been busy with actual work. My last run to the yard was shocking as prices have dropped. Why?

    Here are some charts for you viewing pleasure.

    First is a daily chart...


    Second is the weekly chart...




    Last is a chart that goes back to 2009...


    As you can see, copper has not been this low since 2010. I have heard of copper being a leading indicator for the economy, because it is used everywhere. Homes, factories, electronics, etc. Where she is going from here is anyone's guess, hopefully not to 2009 levels.

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    Basically, the world has cut back or stopped buying. The copper market now depends largely on U.S. production.
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    Watching other commodities, it seems that one method of getting people to sell out their stock is to raise prices to ridiculously high levels. The get-rich-quick boys sell out near the top. Then prices are pushed lower and lower. And lower. And lower. Finally, the stay-poor-forever boys get tired of the bleeding and sell out near the bottom. After that point, prices get back to a reasonable equilibrium.

    Gold prices are lowered by massive selling to disrupt supply and demand. Admittedly, copper is NOT gold, but it is a real commodity asset in the paper world of derivatives and futures built on margin.

    Take a look at the 5-year LME copper stocks chart. Does this imply an oversupply, or manipulation?


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    China is a wild card, but I'd suspect that bankers and speculators probably affect the price of commodities more than actual demand for assets right now.

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    Speculators don't affect long term pricing trends, just small blips in one direction or another for a few months as they buy futures or short them. Traders are looking to see if Russia invades Ukraine which will cause major sanctions and loss of trade (less copper needed).

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    for some of us who deal in quantity a few months IS a longtime.

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    I don't know if this is true or not but heard on the Fox Business chanel that China was getting ready to start another building boom. When will this staert? I don't know. I do know that China has a stock pile of copper,steel, aluminum and what ever but sooner or later they'll have to replenish their stock and hopfully the prices will go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyscraper View Post
    I don't know if this is true or not but heard on the Fox Business chanel that China was getting ready to start another building boom. When will this staert? I don't know. I do know that China has a stock pile of copper,steel, aluminum and what ever but sooner or later they'll have to replenish their stock and hopfully the prices will go up.
    Next Wednesday at 10:00 Eastern US time. Kidding. I quit trying to predict these things. Too many influences. Some natural. Some manufactured. All designed to trip up any predictions.
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    china has whole cities built with nobody living in them, can't see them doing another building boom anytime soon.

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    Yeah I saw a whole 60 minutes clip about these ghost towns that are brand new. Pretty crazy they have apartments, malls, and every thing else a modern city would have except residents.


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