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    I get exactly what you guys are saying. I still think there are other ways to work things out.

    My thought are that the non-profit was approached by another vendor. This vendor most likely asked what he was getting, and when the vendor saw the prices were moving down offered more just to get the account. After getting the account, and perhaps overpaying for a month or two, the vendor would simply drop the price down. It didn't much matter at that point, they now have the account. If you think you would then be getting a call, I'd bet you are WRONG. Many times people have too much pride to call and say I was wrong, you were giving me the best price. He would just suck up the lower price.

    I feel pretty confident that the person running the company has MANY other things on his plate than "shopping" around every month to find the highest price for scrap metal. I would do what I needed to do temporally to KEEP the account, then re-evaluate the arrangement in a month or two. At this point, the other offer will be the farthest thing from his mind, and I'd bet he would be open to a price drop. I think you are fighting a losing battle making the argument now with someone waving a carrot in front of him.



    Keep in mind, when prices move up in the spring, as I posted before, I would NOT offer MORE than the .09# and recoup.

    I actually think the correct course of action is to explain the market swings, how valuable a customer he is, how because of this you are going to give him special pricing, a flat rate where he doesn't have to worry about market swings.

    Its really easy to say just let the customer go, for me, not so much. I'd be looking for another solution.
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    It's a good point .... if he can delay the customer for a month or two it will get them past this little crisis. It may settle back down into business as usual.

    Just some things to consider:

    1: If you are trying to "cling" to your customers you're not working from a position of strength. If one of my customers are dissatisfied for some reason I'll assist them in changing over to one of my competitors and encourage them to go try it out for awhile to see if it works better for them. If they come back they're mine .... If not then they never were.

    2: There are two kinds of customers. Some will stay the course with you no matter what. Others are promiscuous and will go with any Tom,D*ck, or Harry. My best customers automatically get labor rate discounts of up to 25% without even asking for them. The run around kind pay top dollar. I would almost prefer that they do find someone else because they tend to be difficult (and unprofitable) to deal with.

    3: There's an assumption that the yearly pattern will hold true and steel prices will go back up in the spring. That may be incorrect !

    The global geo-political landscape is shifting into a different paradigm. The biggest change has to do with oil. Most of the OPEC member nations are not friendly to American interests. When they get pissed off at us they strike at us in the only way they can. They hike the price of oil and wreck our economy. ( It's not like they can engage us militarily.)

    Now that the disputes are settling down it's time to drop prices and recapture the market share they lost to the Canadians and our domestic oil producers. They can sell oil much cheaper and still do well because their production costs are so much lower.

    Lower energy costs translate lower steel and common metals prices because these things are so energy intensive to produce.

    It seems more likely that steel prices will move with oil.

    If oil stays where it is we probably won't see that price "bump" next spring.

    JMHO .... could be wrong. It's hard to accurately predict the future because a black swan event could change everything. You just never know for sure.


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