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t00nces2 Net Nuetrality... 02-18-2015, 04:22 AM
wayne1956 You know how the old saying... 02-18-2015, 05:51 AM
taterjuice More true words were never... 02-18-2015, 05:56 AM
miked No matter what your political... 02-18-2015, 06:02 AM
JustInTime I don't think you guys really... 02-18-2015, 07:58 AM
JustInTime Here's some more good reading... 02-18-2015, 08:02 AM
junkfreak Dang more homework! Lol... 02-18-2015, 09:42 AM
logansryche That's an interesting... 02-18-2015, 11:35 AM
t00nces2 Answer me this... Are you ok... 02-18-2015, 12:41 PM
miked I will stop now. Mike 02-18-2015, 08:22 AM
thebugguy I'm not going to try to... 02-18-2015, 08:39 AM
NobleMetalWorks Here is a good short youtube... 02-18-2015, 08:43 AM
bigburtchino AS always follow the money... 02-18-2015, 08:48 AM
bigburtchino My $.02 for what it's worth! 02-18-2015, 08:49 AM
Mechanic688 #9 of our rules; "-... 02-18-2015, 02:43 PM
NobleMetalWorks I should have remembered this... 02-18-2015, 04:33 PM
bigburtchino Mechanic just for clarity, as... 02-18-2015, 05:10 PM
t00nces2 You have that right. Both... 02-18-2015, 08:10 PM
JustInTime What in the world does this... 02-18-2015, 03:07 PM
JustInTime Oops, Mechanic got in while I... 02-18-2015, 03:08 PM
IdahoScrapper I can't recall anything that... 02-18-2015, 09:12 PM
matador The Internet isn't broken. It... 02-18-2015, 09:47 PM
pjost It's not about the Internet... 02-19-2015, 06:18 AM
taterjuice All good points brought up... 02-21-2015, 06:43 AM
thebugguy All- First, Mechanic688-... 02-19-2015, 07:03 AM
t00nces2 You are right. The internet... 02-26-2015, 08:47 PM
matador Not counting satellite... 02-21-2015, 08:08 AM
Patriot76 Opinion was not offered until... 02-26-2015, 08:35 PM
matador allow companies to charge for... 02-26-2015, 09:54 PM
etack I have the choice of one... 02-26-2015, 10:12 PM
matador We were able to do just fine... 02-26-2015, 10:19 PM
Sirscrapalot If there is only one vendor... 02-26-2015, 10:40 PM
Gotscrap2012 Monopoly's are never... 02-26-2015, 10:46 PM
bigburtchino What happens when the city... 02-26-2015, 11:19 PM
t00nces2 Oh, this totally changes my... 02-27-2015, 04:49 AM
WestCoastProspector Most of the major American... 02-28-2015, 05:28 PM
Patriot76 It is interesting how many of... 02-28-2015, 07:10 PM
t00nces2 Sounds to me like the problem... 03-01-2015, 04:50 AM
taterjuice Never was explained who was... 03-01-2015, 10:53 AM
Sirscrapalot Ya'll act like this is new... 03-01-2015, 01:36 PM
EcoSafe cut that down to just taxes.... 03-01-2015, 08:16 PM
Sirscrapalot Sad but true Olddude. They... 03-01-2015, 08:22 PM
t00nces2 The highways were bought and... 03-02-2015, 03:55 AM
Sirscrapalot Yea...moving is the answer. ... 03-01-2015, 01:32 PM
EcoSafe sorry fact. do you like your... 03-01-2015, 03:12 PM
bigburtchino I think of the internet as a... 03-01-2015, 03:39 PM
EcoSafe sry BB, but gotta disagree... 03-01-2015, 05:18 PM
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Metalbestos All of the bridges that... 03-02-2015, 11:04 AM
matador I never knew that about... 03-01-2015, 07:47 PM
junkfreak Off topic: why does Hawaii... 03-02-2015, 04:29 AM
Mechanic688 The same reason that Alaska... 03-02-2015, 05:51 PM
Patriot76 B.B. - Sorry I tried to quote... 03-02-2015, 05:27 AM
junkfreak Thanks, that my attempt at... 03-02-2015, 06:15 AM
EcoSafe shouldn't the one in Hawaii... 03-02-2015, 10:09 AM
bigburtchino First rebuttal - I believe... 03-02-2015, 03:44 PM
Patriot76 BB - Thank you for the... 03-02-2015, 04:00 PM
bigburtchino Al Gore is probably the most... 03-02-2015, 04:47 PM
junkfreak Funny how things are... 03-03-2015, 03:31 AM
t00nces2 Well, it is funny how things... 03-03-2015, 04:36 AM
thebugguy All- I'm enjoying the... 03-03-2015, 06:45 AM
bigburtchino J.P. Barlow as a "Dead Head"... 03-03-2015, 09:10 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustInTime View Post
    That's an interesting article, some of it I knew, most of it I didn't - all of it didn't surprise me any.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JustInTime View Post
    I don't think you guys really understand what Net Neutrality is, and you definitely have it backwards in regards to the censorship thing.

    I'm actually at a loss as to how one could see Net Neutrality as a killer of free speech. If anything, it's the opposite. It actually prevents ISP's from restricting (or censoring) content and by no means is it a restriction of freedom of speech in and of itself.

    You really should read this if you want a better idea as to what it actually is... https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality

    Internet service providers, in their great monopolies / duopolies, really do need to be classified as Title II. Like it or not, the internet is a utility. If there was more competition, we wouldn't need Net Neutrality rules, but unfortunately there's not and there likely won't be any competition for quite some time.

    Answer me this... Are you ok with the idea of your ISP charging you an extra fee, on top of the already fairly hefty price you pay for internet, for access to different, individual websites you might want to visit?

    Educate yourself on what Net Neutrality is and you'll find it's actually a good thing.
    Answer me this... Are you ok with the idea of the government charging you an extra fee, on top of the already fairly hefty tax you pay for being alive, for access to different, individual websites you might want to visit?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebugguy View Post
    I'm not going to try to change anyone's mind on whether or not government exists simply to break things, but I do have to back JustInTime up on this one. The point of the Net Neutrality rules is to prevent ISPs from charging more for some services for some people than for others. It has nothing whatsoever to do with government deciding what you can and can't use the internet for. In a world of gray, this topic is pretty darn black and white if you ask me.

    Seriously, do a little reading from a variety of sources- it's worth it on this one.

    cheers,
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    Would your car company charge you more for a Ferrari than they would for a Chevy Spark?

    Quote Originally Posted by NobleMetalWorks View Post
    Here is a good short youtube video about net - neutrality and what it actually is:



    If you watch the video, you soon realize that the FCC was attempting, and failed to do so, to argue for Net Neutrality.

    I am not happy myself with the way that Government conducts itself, however, in this case, it is doing so on our behalf, for our benefit in a way that it normally does not. Simply because corporations desire to generate more income by monetizing every byte of information that flows through their systems, you will see volumes of information against net neutrality. Since our government does not use tax payer dollars to advertise anything, you will not see a lot of good information or advertising for net neutrality.

    As well, you will find the biggest supporters against net neutrality being the very largest corporations, such as Verizon for example. If they loose the battle of Net Neutrality, it is likely they could loose the battle of charging you and I for every byte of information that flows from them, to lets say your smart phone. Even though we the people, the American Public own the frequencies that a company like Verizon transmits it's information over, that they purchased the use of, at a very small fraction of it's real value.

    Before you chime in for, or against Net Neutrality, you would serve yourself best by understanding the topic, and what it actually means for all of us. If we do not have Net Neutrality, or pass laws to protect Net Neutrality, you will see a drastic increase in the cost of things like your cable access, smart phone access, what free services will be forced to charge instead of being free because they are being charged. Advertising costs because most of the advertising dollars are spent on ad campaigns that in some way directly, or indirectly use the internet, and that cost will increase the cost of goods and services.

    It concerns me that people will speak out against Net Neutrality, or what is actually going on right now in regards to it, without truly understanding what any of it means for them and their family.

    Good topic to discuss however...

    Scott
    ... And you will find the biggest supporter of net nuetrality is the government, a monolith that will take money from you at the pointy of a gun instead of allowing the choiche between verizon or comcast or att ot dish network or directtv or any other company that provides internet connection?


    Sorry, the government is in the business of taking your money and shutting you up and stifling your silly complaints. It is the same story as the health care BS.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigburtchino View Post
    AS always follow the money and then make up your own mind, who wants me to what and why?
    You will find the biggest supporter of net nuetrality is the government. They want your money and you have no choice when they take the money from you by force, at the point of a gun.

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