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Originally Posted by andyheim

Of course I wouldn’t be fine with it, and this will touch every life some way in a negative aspect. You can call it dark, whatever you like. I simply believe this is one of many actions nature will take to relieve what I believe is the biggest problem of our society, and that is over population. Not enlightened or trying to convert people to my point of view. Clearly this is not the forum for that type of discussion so I got off subject and for that I apologize. Call it what you like.

There's no reason why overpopulation can't be discussed here but thinning the herd comments are unacceptable and your "apology" was half assed. Like I said before there is an edit button. If you want people here to take you seriously remove the comment and try again.

Originally Posted by APA

It’s upsetting that a corrupt communist government lied the whole time and continues to lie in the name of pride and control.

I apoligize if it seems like i'm singling you out. I'm really not.

I would like to respond to this point though. This seems like politics and finger pointing. People playing the blame game. One official in the Chinese government recently accused the U.S. military of planting the virus in Wuhan.

Just imagine if you will : We, as a people and a nation, being put on trial for our deeds during this crisis. Is this how we would want to be remembered ?

History will judge us.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...countable/amp/

Read this article and make your own judgements.

Originally Posted by hills

<sigh>

Later edited to add:

Okay, i'll try to explain another way. We're all in the same boat here. ( This tiny little rock hurling through space.) A problem has come up. We can do a couple of different things. We could play the blame game -or- we could work together (internationally) to address the problem.

Which is a better choice ?

The Chinese government and much of the Islamic world is at war with the west.The truth seems unpopular to state these days, but when one of the participants tell us in no uncertain terms of their goals to destroy capitalism, and the other tells us in no uncertain terms their goal of death to infidels, one would have to be consciously obtuse not to see the likelihood of their culpability.

And the place where is started continues to lie and be corrupt. I agree that we should all help each other but some governments have not from the beginning of this situation.

Judging by your response:

You still want to play the blame game.

It's totally your choice. I respect that.

Originally Posted by APA

It’s upsetting that a corrupt communist government lied the whole time and continues to lie in the name of pride and control. All life is precious and we need to respect that. “Thinning the heard” is part of nature and the world we live in to a degree. That doesn’t mean we have to agree with it or fail to try to stop it.

Taiwan, South Korea and the US all discovered Covid-19 cases around the same day but only the first two acted like it was important and took measures to test, track and suppress transmission and are experiencing vary mild disruptions because of it. The US did close to nothing for around a month and a half. China's failings in this are many and some are unforgiveable. But they are also out of our control and the measures taken in places like Taiwan and South Korea shows that there was enough time and information to take action. So yes blame China for what they've done wrong but China isn't the reason that Nevada where I live is expected to be hit worst so far as the economic part, that's because the US, like the UK and Spain and some other countries also now reeling, response was to just do nothing but watch.

Originally Posted by andyheim

Of course I wouldn’t be fine with it, and this will touch every life some way in a negative aspect. You can call it dark, whatever you like. I simply believe this is one of many actions nature will take to relieve what I believe is the biggest problem of our society, and that is over population. Not enlightened or trying to convert people to my point of view. Clearly this is not the forum for that type of discussion so I got off subject and for that I apologize. Call it what you like.

"Overpopulation" only makes sense in the context of overconsumption. Otherwise you'd just be saying, "Meh, is too many people I think." But the vast majority of the world doesn't consume massive amounts of resources. It's wealthy countries like the US and European countries and Persian Gulf monarchies with high per capita rates of resource consumption (though China is catching up!). So overconsumption isn't related to overpopulation in practice. So your calls for a "culling" are not just cruel but arbitrarily cruel since they can't have any meaningful effect on overconsumption.

Gee ... i think i would have to disagree on that point.

I tend to look at it the way a naturalist would. Take a black bear for instance. It takes quite a bit to keep his belly full. He needs a certain number of square miles of land for forage. Put two bears into that space and they're going to have to fight for that territory.

It's the same thing only different with humans. The Gaia can only provide resources for a limited number of humans. I'm not talking about the fancy stuff. Just the basics like food, water, shelter, and fire. Clean drinkable water is a problem in a lot of places right now. What ... figure an average of one fire per human ? That's over seven billion fires burning, spewing out heat, and making air pollution. We can genetically engineer our crops to produce twice the yield per acre but what about when that isn't enough ?

Let me ask a question: Could the land Las Vegas is built upon sustain the human population above -or- is it inherently out of balance with it's natural environment ?

What would happen if the supply chain going into Las Vegas were suddenly cut ? No food ? No water coming in ? No electricity ?

China is the one playing games. My choice is to say the Chinese government is full of lies and corruption. It’s difficult to work with someone when they are proven to be that way.

Originally Posted by hills

Judging by your response:

You still want to play the blame game.

It's totally your choice. I respect that.

< shrugs >

Some people unite and work for harmony. Some people create divisions & chaos. It's just what they do.

We all have our part to play.

Originally Posted by auminer

You may recall that some of the first attempts in this country to react to the situation were met with accusations of xenophobia and racism.

Or, you may not remember those facts at all.

... and the places where the disease has taken the strongest hold are the places that were the most vocally and obstinately resistant and reluctant to enforce the protections from incoming travelers.

Originally Posted by hills

Gee ... i think i would have to disagree on that point.

I tend to look at it the way a naturalist would. Take a black bear for instance. It takes quite a bit to keep his belly full. He needs a certain number of square miles of land for forage. Put two bears into that space and they're going to have to fight for that territory.

It's the same thing only different with humans. The Gaia can only provide resources for a limited number of humans. I'm not talking about the fancy stuff. Just the basics like food, water, shelter, and fire. Clean drinkable water is a problem in a lot of places right now. What ... figure an average of one fire per human ? That's over seven billion fires burning, spewing out heat, and making air pollution. We can genetically engineer our crops to produce twice the yield per acre but what about when that isn't enough ?

Let me ask a question: Could the land Las Vegas is built upon sustain the human population above -or- is it inherently out of balance with it's natural environment ?

What would happen if the supply chain going into Las Vegas were suddenly cut ? No food ? No water coming in ? No electricity ?

You won't catch me defending the existence of Las Vegas lol. Most countries have massive food surpluses. The US for example wastes 30-40% of its food production every year. We currently have problems of insufficient access not insufficient quantity. We often forget that Ethiopia was a net exporter of wheat during its 1980s famines because the problem was an economic inability to obtain food, not an insufficient quantity of it. Another example, on any given night there are about 550,000 homeless people in the US and currently around 17,000,000 empty homes and that doesn't count the huge number of homes being used for airbnb and other 'short term rental'. The problem is access, not quantity. Overpopulation is a myth. Overconsumption is not.

Originally Posted by auminer

You may recall that some of the first attempts in this country to react to the situation were met with accusations of xenophobia and racism.

Or, you may not remember those facts at all.

I recall racism and xenophobia being met with accusations of xenophobia and racism. Testing, tracking, tracing and quarantining is not what the government did nor suggested and that would have drastically reduced the need for the kind of measures we're now seeing in countries like the US, UK, Iran, Italy, France and others that reacted late or poorly. Pertinent to this thread, I might have still a job right now were it not for the sloppy response but alas I am laid off. Which reminds me I need to empty my buyer's thread....

Originally Posted by APA

China is the one playing games. My choice is to say the Chinese government is full of lies and corruption. It’s difficult to work with someone when they are proven to be that way.

Best I know there are more unicorns in this world than honest governments.

Originally Posted by JJinLV

I recall racism and xenophobia being met with accusations of xenophobia and racism. Testing, tracking, tracing and quarantining is not what the government did nor suggested and that would have drastically reduced the need for the kind of measures we're now seeing in countries like the US, UK, Iran, Italy, France and others that reacted late or poorly. Pertinent to this thread, I might have still a job right now were it not for the sloppy response but alas I am laid off. Which reminds me I need to empty my buyer's thread....

So, anyone who disagrees with you is racist and xenophobic.... SIXHIRB is a bully's favorite weapon.