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we do the craigslist of course, i run 6 different adds. here we have alot of free papers to the customer paid for by adds, one is called the merchansdiser we run a 1/4 page add for 80 a week and every 8th week we get a full page for the same price. the other is called the shopper and we run a 1/4 page add for 50 a week, typically our first car every week pays for both adds
EDIT you said to help the newbies im still in my rookie year so im still a newbie but i told ya anyway
Last edited by corycouch; 02-16-2012 at 07:33 PM.
If you are under 26000 lbs combined and staying in Virginia you don't need to get DOT numbers.
I believe there is both a Federal GVW set of regulations and State regs, then there are usually travel restrictions in larger towns. Unless you are Big Time..do not advertise on your truck or trailer. DOT regs can push you into getting a CDL and good luck passing a DOT check on any older truck. One major reason I started a yard was to get off the road due to relentless DOT harassment. I use word of mouth..it is slow but you kind of build a circle of decent people (that means a lot to me). I have business cards and some flyers. Every now and then a small ad in the local want ad paper. I am sure social media would be a powerful tool, but my hands are too shot to text on these little phones....
Air brakes are just an endorcement on a CLD liscence. Like a motorcycle is on a regualr liscence.
there are diferent classes of CDL here is a break down.
ss A - Any combination of vehicles where the combined weight is over 26,000 pounds, and the trailer is over 10,000. (tractor trailer)
Class B - Any vehicle over 26,000 pounds. Can tow a trailer under 10,000 (dump truck, cement mixer etc)
Class C - Any other vehicle which falls into the definition of commercial vehicle (hauling haz-mat, or passenger vehicle over 16 passengers)
Class C is your pickup truck if being used for commercial transport. I use to have a class c liscence when I worked for the medical company because we had hazmat requirments and we drove ford 1 ton vans. You see it all the time with landscape companies as well. they have DOT numbers on the side of the trucks. I know alot of them dont but maybe they are playing the game and hoping not to get caught? I know my cousin runs his truck and trailer for his general contracting business and he doesnt have dot numbers for his stuff. He did however get busted once when he was hauling a trailer that didnt have electric breaks. Trooper told him since he was doing it for a business trailer it had to have breaks.
Last edited by PartTimeScrapper; 02-19-2012 at 01:04 AM.
I found this on the gov website to answer your question.
2.
I am an intrastate non-hazardous-materials motor carrier (my cargo or vehicle NEVER leaves the state that I am registered in). Do I need a USDOT Number?
The answer varies from state to state. In most states, intrastate non-hazardous-material motor carriers do not require a USDOT Number, but several States participate in programs such as PRISM, which does require intrastate motor carriers, with or without HazMat, to have a USDOT Number. If you do not know whether your state requires intrastate motor carriers to have a USDOT Number, contact the Office of Motor Carrier Safety field office in your state. For a listing of State offices, go to the FMCSA Field Roster.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/conta...eldroster.aspx
yes, yes I need to get Trin into my 2 ton with a CDL, excellent idea!! PTS you nailed the problem square on the head...the class C CDL is where DOT really wants scrap haulers to be since it is a borderline commercial enterprise. I was warned (repeatedly) that if I was hauling scrap and had 10,001 GVW I needed DOT inspection (which my truck would never get) CDL health card and CDL class C. In fact I was part of a huge sting that was grabbing scrappers/farmers/landscapers off I-25 and "escorting" them to Mile high parking lot where they were handing out tickets and impounds. I knew my rights and kept my mouth shut refusing to answer any questions (that is self incrimination) for 3 hours. I was %100 legal with plates,insurance,vehicle safety,lights and was told when I pulled onto the scale that " you will never leave this lot with your truck (and $5K worth of material)". They finally relented after the good cop/bad cop routine with an unwarranted "you have a light out ticket" ( a total lie). Denver scrap yards have reported the city selling seized material/trucks to them when owners are unable to bail out their property! Technically with farm plates I should be able to do a wide variety of activities up to 26,000 GVW, but the reality is that DOT and the state patrol have become revenue collectors for the state and they can evaluate your activity any way they please and you get to defend (or bail out) yourself. Advertising on ones vehicle is openly admitting to commercial activity and that has a higher set of standards for licensing/insurance/liability. I know scrapers that have been completely ruined by DOT/state patrol. Get educated and beware.
YEah colorado has some messed up state laws that is for sure. Only place I have ever lived that has higher insurance rates than california. When I moved from texas to cali my auto insurance doubled. When I went from cali to here in colorado it doubled again.
Thanks PTS..by the way I like how you advertise with the website, clean simple,easy to use!!
I know there is different classifications for CDL, but I never have heard (here in VA anyways) of you needing one for a pickup. I see some guys using regular pickups for their businesses all the time, because it is cheaper for them in lots of ways, and not one has a DOT# anywhere.
I highly doubt I would need one for truck because I use it for everything, not just VIP Recycling, with or without advertising on it.
I was stopped once my a fairfax county police officer because one of the chains on my truck had broken off (don't ask me how!), and he was trying to tell me that my trailer needed air brakes on it.
I told him, not to argue with him on the subject, but I knew several people and companies with single axle trailers and none of them have air brakes, and that my trailer could only carry 3,500 lbs max on it.
The only type of trucks that I have seen that do have VDOT# on them is some of the bigger landscape trucks (not pickups), and other commercial vehicles.
I will call them tomorrow to find out either way for my truck to be on the safe side, but I am pretty sure, I wont be required too.
I drive class 'A' CDL. Unless you plan on hauling scrap in a tractor trailer. You don't need a CFL. If you buy a truck. For example a straight truck that has a gross weight of 26k or more you would in fact need a class b. You would have to go to a state mandated CDL issuing facilty. There you would have to pass a written exam, pre trip inspection exam, and a driving test. Until you are hauling cars via tractor trailer or own a scrap yard and haul your scrap to bigger yards or plants you don't have to worry.
Good topic.
Been wondering about leaving some business cards on boards at storage places too.
I imagine they get a lot of metal junk dumped or that people buying the non-pyt wouldn't want(?). Course my card will be titled "Dumb D scrap/ junk removal"
(metal stuff free, other junk for $, BUT it would suck to get stuck with tons of something and have the dump say it has asbestos and they won't take it, or something else they won't take (?).
My F-150 4x4 I just got had the weight rating on title as 10,001 lb.s so they gave me truck tags ("TX" on them)...I was argueing , argueing there's NO way it weighs 10,001.
They said I need a notarized letter with a registered scale readout or some BS to change them...But I needed no emmisions and got one year tag.
Not sure whether I can drive on the "No trucks" part of rt. 66, or the George Washington Pkwy??? Is why I argued...Got home the door sticker has weight of 5000 something.
I heard with the "GWVR" on ANY vehicle one could get a ticket for example if they had like four fat chicks in the toyota tercel or something
I'd always just say I'm hauling stuff for a friend/ family anyway , besides one needs business use insurance too, but "business use" has an advantage on taxes I think.
Hauled over 6000lb.s tree cuttings to dump a bunch times, with business label on truck in a Mitsubishi Fuso flatbed in VA no problems, Luck?
@George , How far is your place from Notes rd., Manassas ? please PM me with address so I can be a client sometime. (I'd search other post, but can't look at monitor any more for now...getting over Lasik still. so I Gotta go for now.
Thanks. (emoticon of self right now)
So the majority of advertising I've been doing lately is strictly Email to people "In the know" in Electronics....Tech Advisers, PC shop owners, etc. Someone passed my information along to the Press, and if I'm lucky I might see an article in the paper. Now THAT would be exciting! Add a little legitimacy to our operation.
“Most people miss opportunity because it wears overalls and looks like work .” ― Thomas A. Edison
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Forgot to mention:
A friend a friend sells Yellow Pages ads...
Told me you practically need nothing (documentation) to take out an add.
Gotten to the point where (for certain professions), look for one NOT listed there.
Doesn't cost much for paper book or online ad with Yellow Pages tho' (?)
Gotta go, eye's STILL bugging me (just one of em)...wonder if I could tax write-off
LASIK since I'll see scrap better ?...going on two weeks of not driving...
probably lost half my "route"... gonna need to advertise when I get back.
Thanks again.
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