list of scrap metal legislation by state. here it is. - Page 2

put some of the 6 ft 250 pound marine drill instructors right near the front gate of these scrap yards .. thieves will crap thier pants getting questioned by these guys and wont come back for a while lol

They already do that with copper and wire.

Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

What the police should do to curb it and it would work. Send in undercover police to the scrap yards to sell material and when the yard buys it BAM Big Fines Suspend the Yard from Buying. See Very easy 1 Law you caught buying stolen Metal you out of Business. Kind of Like Bait Car.

It is a great idea and like Freonjoe said, it is being done. Like every other good idea, politics get involved and rains on the parade. Things like, who enforces the violations come into play. Some jurisdictions are so thin with manpower and staffing right now, these inspections may be put on a "low priority" level. Then comes prosecution of the company (scrap yard). It takes big money to enforce these laws in the legal system with court fees, appeals etc. In NY, it takes alot to shut a business down for any reason, even temporarily. The politicians are afraid of backlash and law suits from the larger businesses. That is why there is such an underground market (gypsies) buying up things like copper left and right. They dont give a rats a** where it comes from. It is tought to find them too. They mostly drive unlettered trucks that blend in easily. They have a set route they follow and of course the sellers are not going to dime them in because they are getting top dollar for their copper. My suggestion, take down some plate numbers when you see them. Pass the information forward. We might all have to chip in a little to show we are just as sick of the thieves and scammers as everyone else is. This type of cooperation can maybe help prevent stricter, future restrictions. My prediction, the gov't is going to make this such and expensive venture that it would no longer benefit guys and gals like us continue scrapping. There will be licenses, permits for each township you drive through, not just states or counties and strict vehicular enforcement. Just my 02.

uh I thought theft of any kind was already illegal. ? But then I guess we need more laws just in case.

Old dude, I can see your point about school lunches. But to say laws equal less freedom is not even close to accurate. The goverment is watching you everday through your own volition. Your own willingness. That cell phone you have, your EZ Pass, your credit and debit cards, emails, google searches..... I can go on forever. Laws protect victims. Can some laws impede your freedom? Yes. Are some laws absolutely ridiculous, indeed. Did you know you cannot drive bare foot in NY? Or drink and drive. No not alcohol, but any beverage for that matter. These laws are rarely ever enforced and were put on the books waaayyy before we even thought about "Big Brother". How about this, Utilitity companies intend on installing "Smart Readers" on your home in place of meters. These smart readers will tell the utility companies everything from when you turn on your lights, tvs, blow dryers yada yada yada. Oldude, you better get some candles and a wood stove my friend cause if you think "laws" are impeding your freedom.....

do you really want marines stationed in variuos places asking for your papers, well if you do , relax, its comming.

If law enforcement would concintrate on real criminals and crime instead of things like broken tail lights, motorcycle helmets. windows tinted too dark. people talking on cell phones, seat belts. and a million other stupid laws may be they would have time for thieves, and other criminals. just sayin.

Helmet and seatbelt laws aren't stupid. I've survived more than my fair share of accidents because of them. I've been rear ended twice by people talking on their cell phones, both times on the freeway no less!

look up the railroad hijackings back in the 20s important documents and money from the mail kept getting stolen the us govt put a few marines to guard the trains and not one piece of mail was stolen after that ..
"Toward the end of 1926, the men of the 4th Regiment had an opportunity for something more exciting than garrison routine. A recrudescence of robberies of the United States mails, featured by a particularly brazen and bloody attack on a mailtruck at Elizabeth, New Jersey, on 14 October 1926, led to arequest by the Post Office Department for the services of theMarine Corps to bring the situation under control. The Marines
had been called upon once before to guard the mails, when a
similar situation had developed in the fall of 1921, and they
had quickly put a stop to the robberies. There had been
virtually no incidents after the Marines had entered the picture
on that occasion, and after they had been withdrawn in the
spring of 1922, the Post Office Department, having provided
itself with civilian armed guards, had been able to carry on
satisfactorily for some four years''
cited from Leatherneck.com

we can do that with metal and itll only take a few months to filter out the scumbags once they see theyre not making quick cash and getting grilled at the gates theyll find something else to steal then when most of its died down well go back to normal

Every time enforcing the "law" becomes a higher priority than freedom and individual rights of citizens, we are one goosestep closer to a police state

Originally Posted by olddude

Im not going to argue the point here , that is not whqat the forum is about. I will just bow out of this thread with this. I do not own any of the above, credit cards, gps, cell phone contracts ect for the very reasions you mentioned.

like I said if you want marines to protect you no problem its not far away.

the biggest part of freedom is personal responsability, self reliance. and common sence. the only need for laws is when any of those three are missing. these days they are all three absent from the lives of most Americans,

You made my point "they will move on to something else" how is that solving the problem.

you made my point. "they will move on to steal something else" that is exactly the way government solve problems. just paint them another color and move them down the line.

as far as protection, any truth full law enforcment person will tell you in most cases , they arrive not to save you or protect you but to clean up the blood and attempt to solve the crime that has already taken place..

every time national guard or marines were used on American soil. inocent Americans died. that is why the possie comattas law was passed. national guard and marineshave been used against , black Americans, native Americans, college students, striking miners , steel workers, and on and on, all with deadly results to inocent American citizens. most do not remember this great country was set up to be ruled by the citizens, not the government.

Government and Laws attempt to control behavior with the threat of force. are they sometimes necessary? of course. Especially basic Laws like infringing on other peoples rights, Murder, theft, etc. but the layer upon layer of laws that only serve as revenue source for government, or punishing an unpopular demographic, Do impede freedom, growth and prosperity. Government and Laws attempt to control behavior with the threat of force. For most, it is at a tolerable level in the US, currently. For me? I prefer less control over me and fewer threats of incarceration and violence against me from the federal, state, and local govts that I support with my tax dollars

Originally Posted by thirsty

Old dude, I can see your point about school lunches. But to say laws equal less freedom is not even close to accurate. The goverment is watching you everday through your own volition. Your own willingness. That cell phone you have, your EZ Pass, your credit and debit cards, emails, google searches..... I can go on forever. Laws protect victims. Can some laws impede your freedom? Yes. Are some laws absolutely ridiculous, indeed. Did you know you cannot drive bare foot in NY? Or drink and drive. No not alcohol, but any beverage for that matter. These laws are rarely ever enforced and were put on the books waaayyy before we even thought about "Big Brother". How about this, Utilitity companies intend on installing "Smart Readers" on your home in place of meters. These smart readers will tell the utility companies everything from when you turn on your lights, tvs, blow dryers yada yada yada. Oldude, you better get some candles and a wood stove my friend cause if you think "laws" are impeding your freedom.....

I agree, this post has been hijacked. I am sorry for that redcrossnj. And dont worry Olddude, just shine that beacon of scrap in the night sky and I will know you need me. I will assure you, I will be there before the blood shed.

i dont mean to seem pro law and for taking peoples freedom away but what else are you gonna do the majority of us are getting screwed because of a few dumbasses and i think if we go hard right away for a short period of time and we all just suck it up for a little while the problem will be solved and about them going to something else .. thats whats gonna happen if you dont punish them for real instead of just throwing them in a cell for 30 days or making them repay a fine

I definitely agree that the once the criminals are caught, they should be punished etc. I just don't agree that new laws that put the overhead and liability of enforcement on the small business instead of law enforcement are good. Closing down every scrap yard that buys copper will virtually end copper theft, but most would not want that to happen.

Originally Posted by gamedayron

i dont mean to seem pro law and for taking peoples freedom away but what else are you gonna do the majority of us are getting screwed because of a few dumbasses and i think if we go hard right away for a short period of time and we all just suck it up for a little while the problem will be solved and about them going to something else .. thats whats gonna happen if you dont punish them for real instead of just throwing them in a cell for 30 days or making them repay a fine

Kris Kringle im not saying stealing is right or there actions are justified im just saying that the government doesnt realize this countrys in a hell hole and why people are really doing what there doing. most of the meth head stories are B@@@S@@@