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Can anyone tell me why carrying a gun is more violent than a knife or baseball bat?

Originally Posted by sledge

I hear the South Side of Syracuse is even WORSE than when I lived there 20 years ago.. My parents are always telling me about how it is spreading to other parts of "The 'Cuse" as well. Shame!

It is.. that part of town is where I got this truck from. I felt obligated to getting it because there was no way in hell I was going to walk around there and wait for a bus with shots going off the next street up. Found out the next week the guy I got the truck from was busted for hard drug dealing which is about right because the guys house felt like a crack house. It's like that over by Hookers too - I was over there picking up my brother-in-law's cousin and there were shots being fired just down the street. Few minuets later 3 squad cars, a k9 unit and two ambulances showed up. Later found out it was a drug bust. Nope - not for me. I'll keep my person in Liverpool where it's safe.

Originally Posted by Patriot76

Can anyone tell me why carrying a gun is more violent than a knife or baseball bat?

Alot of people feel it's the open invention to fire back. It's like the first strike or something.

Originally Posted by wayne1956

Most law abiding Americans have guns for the MAIN reason of self protection. I have several guns in my house, but do not carry any of them with me at this time (at least until I get my CC license). A baseball bat and brass (or aluminum) knuckles is not going to do much against a thug armed with a 9mm. And I am not talking about just going to pick up scrap. Unfortunately there are MANY thugs out there with guns, and if I am confronted with one at where ever for what ever reason I am not going to want a knife at a gun fight. And it is not like there is a cop on every street corner. I was in the Marines for 20 years, and we learned to stomp our own snakes. So the term "You Americans and your guns" is painting a way too broad stroke with the brush. More gun control would only do one thing, and that is give the thugs the upper hand, as I very seriously doubt they would voluntarily hand in their weapons. Actually I do believe in one form of gun control, and that is the one that allows me to put all my shots into the X ring. That being said, if someone wants me to pick up scrap in a highly questionable area (as in the above scenario), or one with a lot of gang bangers, I will pass on it as it is not worth the potential trouble. I personally do not go looking for trouble, but will not back down from it if I am in the right. Even when I do get my CC license, I will probably not carry much, but "it is better to have something and not need it than need it an not have it" (this probably my number one favorite saying).

Semper fi!!!!!!!

Handguns are much, much better for self defense than a hunting rifle. If someone breaks into my house, I would grab my handgun 10 times out of 10 rather than grab a rifle, as it is better in close quarters combat. As for an AK-47, most gun owners do not have one. I do not have one and have no desire to own one. But at the same time, I would oppose legislation banning them for one reason, that gets the gun control nuts a foot into the door to ban other guns. A pretty accurate summation would be the saying: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will own guns. I have ADT alarms on my property, but if there is a break in while I am there, it is still going to be a time delay before the sheriffs deputies would get there, and a lot can happen at that time. And when I am gone for an extended period of time, I lock all my guns up, as I do not want them in the wrong hands if there is a break in during my absence.

AdmiralAluminum - It is with great respect this response is being written. I love different opinions because they force me to reconsider my position or learn to defend it better. You have a great deal of knowledge that you have shared on the forum which is greatly appreciated. Gun ownership brings out strong feelings on both sides and I think the views shared so far are respectful and not attacks. The following is not meant to change anyone's opinion, only to make others think.

I am not going to discuss semi-automatic and automatic weapons on this post, but it is nice having a semi-automatic shotgun when you flush five pheasants or a flock of quail.

Did you know one of the posts here was from a law enforcement officer that would prefer armed citizens to gun control? All of the killings at schools were in gun free zones. The majority of law enforcement officers in this country supported arming teachers and staffs in schools after the mass killings. Not one school attack has taken place in a community that armed their staffs. Most of the weapons used in school shootings were obtained illegally (usually through theft) which gun control would not have prevented.

The right to bear arms in the constitution was not just meant for the redcoats or invaders from other nations. It was also provided for citizens to protect their homes and keep our government in check. The military personal in most countries are transferred away from their homes for a specific reason. Do you know why? Our country was built on checks and balances, and gun ownership is one of them. Most do not see it as leading to violent behavior, but instead personal protection, thus reducing violent behavior.

A story (I cannot verify the truth) has been told in these parts for many years. Evidently a man was taking heat from neighbors about his right to own and bear arms. So the man put a sign in his yard that he believed in gun ownership, but his neighbors believed in gun control. As the story goes all the neighbors were robbed, but he was not. A strip mall in Ferguson Missouri was the only business not looted during the recent riots. Every business around them was destroyed. The strip mall employees were armed and the looters by passed them. Two business in the U.S. advertise that they welcome concealed weapons in their establishment. Neither has ever been robbed although their neighbors have been repeatedly. In fact a business that was highlighted for removing open carry individuals was robbed the night after it was aired on T.V. Gun free zones in this country suffer higher crime rates than other zones. If I was a criminal, would I go after a business that might have armed citizens or an old folks home?

The day to day value of gun ownership is the ability to shoot holes in gas tanks from 100 yrds. By the way, I spend as much time archery hunting as hunting with a gun.

Therefore, I respect your opinion and glad your view is successful in Canada in reducing crime. I just do not know if it would work here.

With all due respect and no insult intended, I agree to disagree.

Patriot 76

Well said Patriot an everyone in this thread so far.

I took off my flame ware, you guys are being so pleasant while discussing guns. I'm simply flabbergasted.

Another reason for people wanting to retain their right to bare arms is in part due to how our country came together. We revolted against a tyrant, king, etc. Therefore..lest in my mind. Those who own automatic, or semi automatic are not doing so to defend themselves from criminals, but from the Government if that day should ever come. A hand gun won't defend much against the military, or police.

Some own them, like Patriot for a valid hunting reason. Some in case some idiot in the Government decides to go all stupid. We watch a lot of movies, an a tad paranoid. LOL.

Either way..I leave you with quotes. An this..Well done on the discussion. No flames shooting out all over just civil discussion. Perhaps there is hope yet for the interwebz, lest till the next cat meme war.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas Jefferson

Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost 5,000 dollars. Because if a bullet cost five thousand dollar, we wouldn't have any innocent bystanders. - Chris Rock

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Originally Posted by AdmiralAluminum

Seriously! For 2 flipping TVs??? I've held it back more than once here, but I gotta say "You Americans and your guns!!!" If less of you thought the way this guy does about bringing violence into the world, there would be less violence in the world. I honestly cannot imagine having to think about carrying a gun to do a pick up and if I did, I would never have started scrapping.

Just think about all the brass, lead and steel that could be recycled into something actually worthwhile if only the military and police had guns!

The Redcoats are not coming! They are all up here in Canada hiding from crazy Americans waving guns around for no reason. I'm sure I will catch a whole lotta flak (pun intended) for this one, but when I watch the news, I don't hear reports about people being shot in schools or movie theaters, unless the story came from the US.

Originally Posted by AdmiralAluminum

I said I knew it was coming...I'm not saying I'm right, just sharing my opinion, one that was formed where guns are not as popular. I believe the popularity and glorification of guns leads to a higher availability. Rifles for hunting, no argument here. Handguns? I don't see the need. Semi-automatic or automatic in the hands of civilians? No call for it at all. They are illegal here in Canada so far as I know and that's how it should be. WTF are you gonna do with an AK-47 except hurt yourself or someone else? The way I see it, all the people that have been hurt in gun "accidents" is more than argument enough to ban them.

Make guns illegal for the citizens? Why should my option to carry a weapon be restricted? I don't understand. Wouldn't it be more effective to make robbery and murder a crime? You Canadians really have your priorities messed up.

BTW, an AK-47 is a rifle.

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