New to the forum but not the business

[HiFlo]

Hey there folks. New to the forum but not the business. Looking for help with the sale of catalytic converters and to acquire general knowledge to help open a new revenue source. We have dealt with the regular buyers that make their rounds around the area and have run into quite a bit of issues with honesty, etc. We would like to sell direct or at the very least sell in bulk and receive a fair price for the cats we have. We have pics of all of our cats and would love to be able to sell all at once 3-4X a year. If you are a buyer and are willing to give us quotes on our cats you go straight to the front of the line. Thanks!

[Proton]

Nothing less than 2,000 pounds.

[APA]

I would be happy happy to discuss your catalytic converters. 724-719-5195 is my personal cell, you can call or text anytime with questions. I have purchased converters from members here and believe I treated them fairly. I share information and knowledge about converters, no games or mysteries.

Tom
aplatinumautocores@hotmail.com

Hey there folks. New to the forum but not the business. Looking for help with the sale of catalytic converters and to acquire general knowledge to help open a new revenue source. We have dealt with the regular buyers that make their rounds around the area and have run into quite a bit of issues with honesty, etc. We would like to sell direct or at the very least sell in bulk and receive a fair price for the cats we have. We have pics of all of our cats and would love to be able to sell all at once 3-4X a year. If you are a buyer and are willing to give us quotes on our cats you go straight to the front of the line. Thanks!

[Proton]

Most of the buyers de-can the converters the fill gaylords with plastic liners a large bag with the comb and dust, then ship these off to wither Mettalix or the Stillwater Refinery in Billings Montana.

The Stillwater platinum / palladium mine is in the Beartooth Mountains, 130km southwest of Billings, Montana, USA. It is wholly owned by Stillwater Mining Co

To sell catalytic converters any other way you'll loose largely, cats removed from a vehicle that spent its life in the city on paved roads will have almost three times the assay value than the same cats recovered from those that spent a lifetime on dusty gravel roads.

Now with Rhodium at over $2,000.00 a troy ounce, it would be an interesting time to be dealing in cats then shipping direct to a refinery.

I shipped a small 1,000 pound load of catalytic comb to the Mettalix refinery and was really pleased with the my return on investment. I used a plasma cutter to open the cats, but a shear is more economical and cheaper on the labour side as you can de-can four times the amount in an hours time.

The gaylord is placed under the discharge side of the shear to catch both comb, chips and dust.

A yard owner in the big city buys and de-cans catalytic converters then like I did he mills the comb into powder. He shared his assay with me and I was shocked as it was three times more than my assay from country cats that had spent a lifetime on dusty gravel roads.

Now you know how and where to sell large quantity's of catalytic comb and foils for top dollar, cut out the middle man.

[APA]

Stillwater does not buy from the public or “most buyers”.

“Metallix buys nothing less than 2,000 lbs” but bought your 1,000 lbs. Which is it? Contradicting statements.

Rhodium averages only 5% of the content of the PGM. Palladium and Platinum are the other 95% with Palladium averaging over 50%.

This yard owner’s cats were worth 3 times more than yours? Sounds very strange.. The converter from a city an hour away has virtually the same PGM content as a converter from a more rural area.

If you want to cut open 1,000 cats (2,000 lbs), ship to Metallix, and wait 45 days for your money hoping the market isn’t down, try it out. Metallix knows nothing about individual converters and values to assist you so basically you are on your own. Metallix also will not send you a sample from your assay.....kind of strange.......

[Proton]

Stillwater does not buy from the public or “most buyers”.

“Metallix buys nothing less than 2,000 lbs” but bought your 1,000 lbs. Which is it? Contradicting statements.

Rhodium averages only 5% of the content of the PGM. Palladium and Platinum are the other 95% with Palladium averaging over 50%.

This yard owner’s cats were worth 3 times more than yours? Sounds very strange.. The converter from a city an hour away has virtually the same PGM content as a converter from a more rural area.

If you want to cut open 1,000 cats (2,000 lbs), ship to Metallix, and wait 45 days for your money hoping the market isn’t down, try it out. Metallix knows nothing about individual converters and values to assist you so basically you are on your own. Metallix also will not send you a sample from your assay.....kind of strange.......

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[gorven]

I have dealt with Tom at APA and I can say he is very forthcoming and a great person to deal with

[Proton]

Stillwater does not buy from the public or “most buyers”.

“Metallix buys nothing less than 2,000 lbs” but bought your 1,000 lbs. Which is it? Contradicting statements.

Rhodium averages only 5% of the content of the PGM. Palladium and Platinum are the other 95% with Palladium averaging over 50%.

This yard owner’s cats were worth 3 times more than yours? Sounds very strange.. The converter from a city an hour away has virtually the same PGM content as a converter from a more rural area.

If you want to cut open 1,000 cats (2,000 lbs), ship to Metallix, and wait 45 days for your money hoping the market isn’t down, try it out. Metallix knows nothing about individual converters and values to assist you so basically you are on your own. Metallix also will not send you a sample from your assay.....kind of strange.......

Son there's more than 2 pounds of comb in the average cat, unless its a rattler.

If you were buying my dusty roads cats by the numbers your going to loose money as enough fine dust has passed through the air filter to blast off most of the values from the comb onto the roadside.

With out an assay you may as well be blindfolded and we both know your not going to spend $135.00 to assay each converter and neither is Stillwater or the Metallix refinery.

When we de-can converters there is no differentiation between pre=cats, domestic or foreign they all go into the same bag.

The assay from the dealer in the city was shared with me several years ago, I recently did some number crunching, its not the metal market that will bite you in the arse it's inflation that erodes the value of our dollar.

You stated your willing to share your knowledge this I can appreciate, you've given the percentages of the various precious metals found in a domestic cat now how about sharing a few of your assay reports.

Have you figured out yet why domestics catalytic converters contain less platinum group metals than foreign cats.

Because its more economical for the auto manufacture to overload the converter than it is dealing with warranty on foreign soil.

Only an assay will lead you to the truth all other is BS.

[Proton]

Another option is the Glencore copper refinery, in Quebec.

Copper is a good collector for precious metals and catalytic converters make for a good feed stock for a copper smelter, Glencore also process's concentrates from electronic waste for the copper and precious metals.

Copper - Who we are | Glencore Canada
Our copper assets in Canada consist of the Horne Smelter and the Canadian Copper Refinery (CCR), both based in the province of Quebec. These facilities employ more than 1,200 people, and in 2014 contributed $143 million to the local economy.

The CCR refinery processes copper anodes, which are converted into 99.99% copper cathodes and sold on world markets. It has been in operation since 1931 and is the only copper refinery in Canada. It also has an integrated precious metals refining plant.
The refinery also processes feed known as "anode slimes." CCR products include copper cathodes, gold, silver and other specialty metals and chemicals, including selenium, tellurium dioxide, nickel sulphate and a concentrate of platinum group metals.

[APA]

I am not your son.

“Thousand pounds was brokered threw CCON” so you sold to a middleman? I thought you shipped direct and “cut out the middleman”? Sounds like a contridiction to me.

Cats average 2 lbs. There are many pres with less than a lb of material. Aftermarkets also average slightly over a lb.

Son there's more than 2 pounds of comb in the average cat, unless its a rattler.

If you were buying my dusty roads cats by the numbers your going to loose money as enough fine dust has passed through the air filter to blast off most of the values from the comb onto the roadside.

With out an assay you may as well be blindfolded and we both know your not going to spend $135.00 to assay each converter and neither is Stillwater or the Metallix refinery.

When we de-can converters there is no differentiation between pre=cats, domestic or foreign they all go into the same bag.

The assay from the dealer in the city was shared with me several years ago, I recently did some number crunching, its not the metal market that will bite you in the arse it's inflation that erodes the value of our dollar.

You stated your willing to share your knowledge this I can appreciate, you've given the percentages of the various precious metals found in a domestic cat now how about sharing a few of your assay reports.

Have you figured out yet why domestics catalytic converters contain less platinum group metals than foreign cats.

Because its more economical for the auto manufacture to overload the converter than it is dealing with warranty on foreign soil.

Only an assay will lead you to the truth all other is BS.

[APA]

Thank you Terry. I have shipped tens of thousands of converters with Terry, he is an asset to my company as a top shipping broker. He is a good person to deal with always.

I have dealt with Tom at APA and I can say he is very forthcoming and a great person to deal with

[Proton]

I am not your son.

“Thousand pounds was brokered threw CCON” so you sold to a middleman? I thought you shipped direct and “cut out the middleman”? Sounds like a contridiction to me.

Cats average 2 lbs. There are many pres with less than a lb of material. Aftermarkets also average slightly over a lb.

Tom, Define brokerage.

How much would you have paid for the cat pictured below before I cut it open so that I could weigh up the comb to show that there is much more than tow pounds.

The weight of the comb in this particular cat is 4.95 lbs, the assay from the material I had sent in a few years ago each pound of milled comb had a value of $35.00.

Given the value of ,my assay $35.00 lb from a few years ago this 4.95 pound cat is worth $173.95.

Again I ask you how much would you have paid for this cat.

[Proton]

If you have a lot of cats to remove from vehicles a small portable gas or diesel welder with the cheapest welding rod you can buy. Crank the amperage up high then instead of welding the rod will burn through exhaust pipes in seconds.

Just be careful of the molten metals as it dribbles down from the cut. and wear proper eye protection.

I like the fact that a fresh rod with its full length will reach to the backside of the cut, to get some mileage out of your rods soak em down with water but only those you intend on using that day.

For a cheap welder you can use an older Delco alternator then run this off your truck engine.

Plenty of plans and schematics on this google link, https://www.google.ca/search?q=delco...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Often when using sawzall blades you can go through three or four just to cut one cat free.

[APA]

Average weight of contents of an average converter is 2 lbs. Some are more, some are less.

Brokering involves a middleman, they make a percentage profit.

[Proton]

[QUOTE=APA;291524]Average weight of contents of an average converter is 2 lbs. Some are more, some are less.

Brokering involves a middleman, they make a percentage profit.[/QUOT]

Say what, your a middle man wearing a different hat MAGA.

Tom to get an average from the number of cats you had de-caned you would weigh up the tota;comb removed then dived that weight into the number of cats previously de-canned.

Show me some cat comb that you have removed from a full converter on a scale then I might give you some credibility.

Your the expert care to tell us how many pounds in the cat pictured below careful now as I'll cut this open then post the weight of the comb on the scale.

[APA]

Lets see you cut that Chrysler foil converter open and weigh the foil. Pre converters average less than a lb and aftermarkets average around a lb.

You said you deal direct with no middleman. Then you said you deal with a broker. A broker has to be a middleman to make a profit to be in business.

Percentage of profit your dealing with the wrong brokerage.

Show me some cat comb that you have removed from a full converter on a scale then I might give you some credibility.

Your the expert care to tell us how many pounds in the cat pictured below careful now as I'll cut this open then post the weight of the comb on the scale.

[APA]

I am not here to argue about copper mines, big city guys, welders from truck engines, dusty roads, or anything like that.

To the original poster, I apologize. I am on the scrap metal forum to buy catalytic converters with good customer service, great prices for each individual converter, and guaranteed prompt exact payment for each individual converter you would like to sell. My pricing is fair and yes I make a small profit that is why I am in business.

Thank you

[Proton]

When Frank aka Geo from the goldrefining forum was still with the living, I would gift him any foils that I came across as these did not fit into the way I was processing my comb.

I never had the chance to meet Frank face to face but spent many an hour on the telephone with him, I always enjoyed his Irish sense of humour.

I'm not going to get into a long winded story about the broker nor who he is, one thing I learned form dealing with him is to never ever do business with someone who constantly sniffles over the phone.

There will never be another time when I subsidise another ans addictions.

So the best advice I'm able to give here to anyone selling to another person over the internet via emails is to make telephone contact with the person first.

As you wish the foil cut and weighed, one foil is nearly burnt to a crisp, I would suspect some of the precious metals are melted into the crude as nickel from the foil is a good collector of precious metals.

Even though the pone foil is badly eroded both of them paired on the scale weigh in at 4.35 pounds. I could weight up just the near complete foil then the other then subtract the weight from the eroded foil to find out how much foil has escaped. But I really do think the mass is still there in the melted blob.

Tom you can ridicule me all you want, I freely admit that I as Metallix and Stillwater are just as clueless when it comes to identifying one cat from another.

Without prejudiced I buy my cats from the reservations, instead of cash I hand out bingo cards.

[Proton]

I am not here to argue about copper mines, big city guys, welders from truck engines, dusty roads, or anything like that.

To the original poster, I apologize. I am on the scrap metal forum to buy catalytic converters with good customer service, great prices for each individual converter, and guaranteed prompt exact payment for each individual converter you would like to sell. My pricing is fair and yes I make a small profit that is why I am in business.

Thank you

The way I read it the original poster was not pleased with the gypsie buyers who frequented his place of business and was looking for a means to maximise his profits.

You seem to have taken an exception to my willingness to lend a helping hand in his quest.

There will always be folks willing to sell a few converters rather than go through the process of saving them up for the big payday. Its a lot of work and it take real money to accumulate a large load.

I suppose I could have purchased a paid membership then posted in the private forums but this is not what I'm about. Everyday a new day with something new learned is a good day for me then if I'm able to pass along something learned this makes my day.

[Proton]

I am not here to argue about copper mines, big city guys, welders from truck engines, dusty roads, or anything like that.

To the original poster, I apologize. I am on the scrap metal forum to buy catalytic converters with good customer service, great prices for each individual converter, and guaranteed prompt exact payment for each individual converter you would like to sell. My pricing is fair and yes I make a small profit that is why I am in business.

Thank you

Tom you may not be interested in knowing about the Glenco copper smelter but there are actually some people on this forum who actually have dreams of becoming successful businessman.

The copper smelter accepts catalytic material as feed stock for their anode copper, the precious metals settle out as slime during to electrolytic process of refining copper.

Wanna know where the circuit boards end up for processing - Glenco copper smelter, and yes they will pay out on the platinum group metals and gold and yes silver from your lot.

Preparation of your lot is your responsibility, removing steel, aluminium, battery's and whetted mercury relays..

Not sure of the lead smelter in Trail BC still accepts the leaded glass from Crt's, they use the leaded glass as part of their flux formula for the smelting process.