Partnership Contract

**logansryche** · 01-02-2015, 07:48 PM

I've been contemplating talking about this subject for awhile now mainly for what the reaction will be and what's thought of me afterwards. I've put alot of thought into what I'm about to discuss and don't expect anyone to take anything lightly. I would like to propose a partnership with anyone who accepts it. I understand partnerships haven't worked out for alot of people on here but all I ask is to be given a chance. Back a few weeks ago when the EPA contacted me, I did some research(which lead to finding NuLife Glass), then did more research. My research found that I was over my head before I even started and that a 3-person team can do some things but can't service a community the size of Liverpool properly, thus prompting this proposal. I propose to anyone that helps Rycon Dismantling get up and running and get a foothold on E-Scrap Dismantling, we'll take any/all CRT tubes free of charge(you'd still have to ship em but there wouldn't be any extra charges and if everyone used Gorvin to ship the tubes, shipping wouldn't be that bad). We could also set up that any metal that comes this way, we'd go halves on.

Right now to get up and running it would take a box truck, a building permit, the EPA Registration, HVAC Retrieval Equipment, and that building I linked in my "Discussion" thread. The EPA Registration I found out doubles as a Occupational License for those setting up as a recycling center. I would need a building permit to do some work to the building(like removing the dry dock door and building an office/parts center. The building would also work as overflow storage for any partner that needed it. Even though Rycon Dismantling is an E-Scrap Dismantling outfit, we take appliances and refrigerators/window a/cs, central a/cs, and anything else that has coolent piping needs to be havac'd properly.

I believe something like this could work with my current affiliations with Ben Weitsman/Upstate Shredding and NuLife Glass. Nothing would change company wise, but we would be refereed as partners to keep the circle going. I know some states have programs that take care of CRT tubes but with more and more companies being fined out the nose for improper storage or exporting, I don't feel comfortable unless the tubes go to NuLife Glass. I expect everyone who reads this to take a moment and think about what I'm offering/trying to offer/trying to do seriously before saying yay or nay. If the outlook is still the same in that no one wants to partner, that's fine. It would just mean it would take longer to get all the necessary paperwork in order, get a box van, and would operate in my backyard requiring more building permits for the additions of a fence and an external building. I'm also open to what would make a partnership 100%.

Here's to a healthy business partnership,
Matthew Vacanti c/o Rycon Dismantling

**numbers** · 01-02-2015, 09:12 PM

interesting. Should I assume that you have a vey specific plan written that includes exactly what most of the costs would run? The advantage to a "partner" would be no cost to dispose of CRT's in exchange for fronting the additional working capital. You might consider an upper limit on that number. Otherwise could you handle 1000 plus tubes showing up in the next three weeks? However for a potential partner this could be an inexpensive method to dispose of tubes. Am I understanding the big picture of your proposal correctly?

**logansryche** · 01-02-2015, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by numbers

interesting. Should I assume that you have a vey specific plan written that includes exactly what most of the costs would run? The advantage to a "partner" would be no cost to dispose of CRT's in exchange for fronting the additional working capital. You might consider an upper limit on that number. Otherwise could you handle 1000 plus tubes showing up in the next three weeks? However for a potential partner this could be an inexpensive method to dispose of tubes. Am I understanding the big picture of your proposal correctly?

Hi Numbers and yes, I have a specific breakdown of what everything is going to cost. If say everything was done being set up tomorrow(permits/everything), I'd be able to import and dismantle 2,000 CRTs in a 12-hr shift. That's an off figure as I don't have specific dimensions of the building yet.(Building Link)

**armstrt8** · 01-02-2015, 10:08 PM

You can process CRT's in 30 seconds??????

**logansryche** · 01-02-2015, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by armstrt8

You can process CRT's in 30 seconds??????

I can prepare a crt tube for NuLife in about 30 seconds yeah - and once my soldering pot comes in(on Christmas back order. USPS says it's here in Liverpool but haven't heard anything about it), I'll be able to dismantle components off a board in about a minute depending on the size of the board. What i'm left with is board scrap which gets ground up anyhow.

**mikeinreco** · 01-02-2015, 10:38 PM

Nu-Life must love all this free advertising.....LOL

**logansryche** · 01-02-2015, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by mikeinreco

Nu-Life must love all this free advertising.....LOL

John said I could blast the name everywhere if it got people to contact him to set up a contract for CRT processing. My issue is I've fallen in love with their processing plant lol.

**mthomasdev** · 01-03-2015, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by logansryche

I've been contemplating talking about this subject for awhile now mainly for what the reaction will be and what's thought of me afterwards. I've put alot of thought into what I'm about to discuss and don't expect anyone to take anything lightly. I would like to propose a partnership with anyone who accepts it. I understand partnerships haven't worked out for alot of people on here but all I ask is to be given a chance. Back a few weeks ago when the EPA contacted me, I did some research(which lead to finding NuLife Glass), then did more research. My research found that I was over my head before I even started and that a 3-person team can do some things but can't service a community the size of Liverpool properly, thus prompting this proposal. I propose to anyone that helps Rycon Dismantling get up and running and get a foothold on E-Scrap Dismantling, we'll take any/all CRT tubes free of charge(you'd still have to ship em but there wouldn't be any extra charges and if everyone used Gorvin to ship the tubes, shipping wouldn't be that bad). We could also set up that any metal that comes this way, we'd go halves on.

Right now to get up and running it would take a box truck, a building permit, the EPA Registration, HVAC Retrieval Equipment, and that building I linked in my "Discussion" thread. The EPA Registration I found out doubles as a Occupational License for those setting up as a recycling center. I would need a building permit to do some work to the building(like removing the dry dock door and building an office/parts center. The building would also work as overflow storage for any partner that needed it. Even though Rycon Dismantling is an E-Scrap Dismantling outfit, we take appliances and refrigerators/window a/cs, central a/cs, and anything else that has coolent piping needs to be havac'd properly.

I believe something like this could work with my current affiliations with Ben Weitsman/Upstate Shredding and NuLife Glass. Nothing would change company wise, but we would be refereed as partners to keep the circle going. I know some states have programs that take care of CRT tubes but with more and more companies being fined out the nose for improper storage or exporting, I don't feel comfortable unless the tubes go to NuLife Glass. I expect everyone who reads this to take a moment and think about what I'm offering/trying to offer/trying to do seriously before saying yay or nay. If the outlook is still the same in that no one wants to partner, that's fine. It would just mean it would take longer to get all the necessary paperwork in order, get a box van, and would operate in my backyard requiring more building permits for the additions of a fence and an external building. I'm also open to what would make a partnership 100%.

Here's to a healthy business partnership,
Matthew Vacanti c/o Rycon Dismantling

Matt,

A few questions on your proposed partnership:

1.What would it take on my part, or any other members part, to enter into this partnership? Would something as easy as getting you the refrigerant recovery equipment work?
2. Are you limiting the number of tubes that any one partner could send you?
3. Are you prepared for partners to send you full trailer loads of CRTs that you will have to pay NuLife to take.

Mark

**logansryche** · 01-03-2015, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by mthomasdev

Matt,

A few questions on your proposed partnership:

1.What would it take on my part, or any other members part, to enter into this partnership? Would something as easy as getting you the refrigerant recovery equipment work?
2. Are you limiting the number of tubes that any one partner could send you?
3. Are you prepared for partners to send you full trailer loads of CRTs that you will have to pay NuLife to take.

Mark

Mark, very good questions. I think first and foremost the most important thing to get done first is the EPA Registration. Secondly, get up and running in the building. I'm waiting to hear from the realtor on the layout of the building and what closing costs are going to be. If they drag their feet on it, I can base everything out of the house(which would be cheaper), but I'll need to get building permits to place a building and a fence. To answer your other two questions, once everything's up and running there will be no limit to how many tubes that can be sent to me for processing, they just need to be in gaylords.

-Matt

**logansryche** · 01-05-2015, 02:10 PM

Ok, just got off the phone with the realtor on the building and he said with utilities the building would cost $2,267/mo and would cost $4,534 to get in there(closing costs, first month rent, security deposit). Honestly at this point I think it would be best to see how much the permits are and build the fence/building off the house. Anything to keep operating costs down.

-Matt

**Metalbestos** · 01-05-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Ok, just got off the phone with the realtor on the building and he said with utilities the building would cost $2,267/mo and would cost $4,534 to get in there(closing costs, first month rent, security deposit). Honestly at this point I think it would be best to see how much the permits are and build the fence/building off the house. Anything to keep operating costs down.

-Matt

Yeah that's 27 grand a year , not including employees and paying to have the tubes recycled . I have a local outlet for my tubes . So I would not be interested in shipping gaylords at this time . But I do have a few questions that might explain the perks .

What do you need from a partner ? A building , box truck, capital for expenses ?
What happens when broken tubes show up at your door ? Bound to happen shipping in gaylords ?
What can you offer in return ?
I'm far away and having access to a shop 500 miles away does not appeal to me , I also have a outlet for TVs,monitors . If I were to ship them to you , half of the metal would not reimburse my shipping expenses . So I'm thinking what would be the return on investment / pros to being a partner with you . I don't want to sound rude but the idea of a shop 100s of miles away that I'm helping fund does me about as much good as someone naming a star after me . I'm probably looking at it diffrent since I'm far from you . But with the help of the locals in your area . I could see you achieving this goal whether this year or next .

Good luck on your continued success thanks

**logansryche** · 01-05-2015, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Metalbestos

Yeah that's 27 grand a year , not including employees and paying to have the tubes recycled . I have a local outlet for my tubes . So I would not be interested in shipping gaylords at this time . But I do have a few questions that might explain the perks .

What do you need from a partner ? A building , box truck, capital for expenses ?
What happens when broken tubes show up at your door ? Bound to happen shipping in gaylords ?
What can you offer in return ?
I'm far away and having access to a shop 500 miles away does not appeal to me , I also have a outlet for TVs,monitors . If I were to ship them to you , half of the metal would not reimburse my shipping expenses . So I'm thinking what would be the return on investment / pros to being a partner with you . I don't want to sound rude but the idea of a shop 100s of miles away that I'm helping fund does me about as much good as someone naming a star after me . I'm probably looking at it diffrent since I'm far from you . But with the help of the locals in your area . I could see you achieving this goal whether this year or next .

Good luck on your continued success thanks

I understand where you're coming from and hope to answer your questions. First and foremost, Rycon Dismantling is 3 employees: Myself, my brother-in-law and my wife. My wife handles the finances and balances the books while my brother-in-law and I go out and get the electronics being dismantled.

I have two options when it comes to continue to base Rycon Dismantling out of my house. Both will require building permits and some sort of box van/cargo van. The first is to build a structure that's 57' x13' off my driveway. This would have room for 8 gaylords for CRTs. It wouldn't cost me anything to build it as I'd be building it completely out of pallets.

The second would be to use the basement of the house. While the second option is larger(haven't measured out how much larger yet), I would need the additional cost of an external freight elevator, a door to the upstairs, a door for the outside, and a new hot water heater(or tankless heater). Walls/fixtures would again be made out of pallets and I would be able to handle 10+ pallets for CRTs.

In reguards to the questions you specifically asked me:
1. What do I need from a partner(s)? To help get Rycon Dismantling up and running. That's the purchase of a cargo/box van, all necessary licensing, and HVAC recovery equipment.
2. What happens when broken tubes arrive at your door? I'm still liable to send them to NuLife no matter what. If the tubes are packed correctly, that should limit breakage.
3. What can I offer in return? A garentee that CRTs sent to me that I send to NuLife aren't stockpiled and exported somewhere - it's why everyone in the US is so hell-bent on them being processing correctly. I don't want CRT glass to end up on foreign shores and I'm sure you don't either.

I did pass the idea around of what I'm trying to do for this area and those that did pay attention to me said they liked what I'm trying to do. Others said they didn't care and that if I was trying to help the community/area/this part of NY, I'd buy what their selling at retail price. Others said they wouldn't deal with me unless I had proper paperwork so it's another reason why I'm trying to push for help.

-Matt

**mikeinreco** · 01-05-2015, 05:35 PM

How many monitors have you taken in so far??

**logansryche** · 01-05-2015, 06:34 PM

So far 2 monitors and 3 tvs.

**mikeinreco** · 01-05-2015, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

So far 2 monitors and 3 tvs.

thats a start.......but to make any real money with monitors it takes quantity..............Best of luck!!!! ..........Check Gov't Surplus auctions they are still selling CRT

**logansryche** · 01-05-2015, 06:57 PM

Mike, I'll never make money on CRTs until tax time because of cost to process the tubes but thanks!

**mthomasdev** · 01-05-2015, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

Mike, I'll never make money on CRTs until tax time because of cost to process the tubes but thanks!

I'm getting confused here. Maybe I just don't understand your business plan.

1. How are you going to make money off the 1000's of tubes that I'm going to send you for free? If each tube is 20 pounds, won't it cost you $2.20 to send to NuLife? (10,000 tubes @ 20 pounds a piece is $22,000)
2. Isn't Uncle Sam the only one to make money at tax time?
3. Will a building made out of pallets meet the requirements of the NYS Building code?

**logansryche** · 01-05-2015, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by mthomasdev

I'm getting confused here. Maybe I just don't understand your business plan.

1. How are you going to make money off the 1000's of tubes that I'm going to send you for free? If each tube is 20 pounds, won't it cost you $2.20 to send to NuLife? (10,000 tubes @ 20 pounds a piece is $22,000)
2. Isn't Uncle Sam the only one to make money at tax time?
3. Will a building made out of pallets meet the requirements of the NYS Building code?

1. I wouldn't be making any money off tubes. I tried that and received public backlash so I stopped. I'm charge $0.11/lb from NuLife for however many tubes I send them.
2. If I had the EPA Registration(which is also a occupational license), I can claim the expense of sending the tubes as a business expense.
3. Yes actually. There's no specifics as to what a structure is to be made out of and it would be counted as a green structure. The same would be if I made my structure out of a conex box or some other recyclable material.

-Matt

**junkfreak** · 01-05-2015, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

John said I could blast the name everywhere if it got people to contact him to set up a contract for CRT processing. My issue is I've fallen in love with their processing plant lol.

Do boy

**junkfreak** · 01-05-2015, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by logansryche

I understand where you're coming from and hope to answer your questions. First and foremost, Rycon Dismantling is 3 employees: Myself, my brother-in-law and my wife. My wife handles the finances and balances the books while my brother-in-law and I go out and get the electronics being dismantled.

I have two options when it comes to continue to base Rycon Dismantling out of my house. Both will require building permits and some sort of box van/cargo van. The first is to build a structure that's 57' x13' off my driveway. This would have room for 8 gaylords for CRTs. It wouldn't cost me anything to build it as I'd be building it completely out of pallets.

The second would be to use the basement of the house. While the second option is larger(haven't measured out how much larger yet), I would need the additional cost of an external freight elevator, a door to the upstairs, a door for the outside, and a new hot water heater(or tankless heater). Walls/fixtures would again be made out of pallets and I would be able to handle 10+ pallets for CRTs.

In reguards to the questions you specifically asked me:
1. What do I need from a partner(s)? To help get Rycon Dismantling up and running. That's the purchase of a cargo/box van, all necessary licensing, and HVAC recovery equipment.
2. What happens when broken tubes arrive at your door? I'm still liable to send them to NuLife no matter what. If the tubes are packed correctly, that should limit breakage.
3. What can I offer in return? A garentee that CRTs sent to me that I send to NuLife aren't stockpiled and exported somewhere - it's why everyone in the US is so hell-bent on them being processing correctly. I don't want CRT glass to end up on foreign shores and I'm sure you don't either.

I did pass the idea around of what I'm trying to do for this area and those that did pay attention to me said they liked what I'm trying to do. Others said they didn't care and that if I was trying to help the community/area/this part of NY, I'd buy what their selling at retail price. Others said they wouldn't deal with me unless I had proper paperwork so it's another reason why I'm trying to push for help.

-Matt

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