Unfortunate laws

Strip it and sell online

Originally Posted by ScrapmanIndustries

In Texas you can't get cash for anything besides Steel and cans last time I was down there. And In Cali they tried charging me for a microwave, I guess since it has that pink powder stuff. But thats the first time I've heard of that wire law. Maybe save up a bunch of it and take it to another state. Or just take some in and see if the yards are following that law.

Totally not true. I do it all the time. Some yards want you to fill out some forms and get an ID to get cash for non-ferrous. Some will only accept non-ferrous from registered businesses, some will only do business with registered businesses and pay them by check written to the business... so do like I did and register as a business. 20 bucks at the county clerk's office for an "assumed name" certificate with which you can open a business bank account, too.

Originally Posted by recyclersteve

This could become pretty expensive as you might then need to file corporate taxes (Federal and State) in the name of the business as well. And then a known business which doesn't file tax returns might open themselves up to being audited. Ditto for a business that has little real operations, but continues to file returns and pay for business licenses year after year. I'd think this through carefully before going down that road.

You are assuming that to open a business, it has to be incorporated or an LLC. You can easily open a business as a sole proprietor and the only cost, after you pay the county, are the monthly fees for your checking account. Taxes get filed on a schedule C attached to your 1040, which, BTW, allows you to deduct all of your legitimate business expenses.

Now, if the law requires you to be incorporated, then yes, you are correct about the possible expenses.

Originally Posted by APA

In the state of Ohio, an individual (not a business) is only allowed to sell 1 catalytic converter per day.

i know for a fact they dont enoforce that

Originally Posted by APA

In the state of Ohio, an individual (not a business) is only allowed to sell 1 catalytic converter per day.

We can't even sell them here in AZ.

I live in AZ and my buddy gave me some stripped wire that the yard would not take from him. I left it out uncovered in a tub in the elements for 3 years. The yard would still not take it. So it went into the shred pile on the next load!

Originally Posted by hobo finds

I live in AZ and my buddy gave me some stripped wire that the yard would not take from him. I left it out uncovered in a tub in the elements for 3 years. The yard would still not take it. So it went into the shred pile on the next load!

Considering wire that has been stripped with out burning is easy to see . These laws I think are designed to reestablish how metals are handled & theft . Aside from law there is a trend that the Shred pile is to be the main spot to except .
Yesterday I went to the yard & made $85 with a load that looks like trash to the average eye .
When any one who comes with me & watches the selling aspect , they say to me " You need a collage diploma for this "
It's complicated they say !!
Regulation is the word of the day . To be a scrapper is to be free . Free to make that extra buck to save your life and family .
These regulation's have a purpose to Little by Little change an industry remove the freedom from some one such as me .
The end result materials are to be handled by regulated companies , that is the end game .
Will it happen ?? It's all about the bottom line ( cash) If the bottom line is not affected then lobbyist related to Scrap industry
will not fight it . The rights of scrappers can be stripped away ( A Pun ) after all it's not like we have an NRA running ads .
Scrapping metal is not a second amendment

BUT
We have , The ninth amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...inth+Amendment

It is up to scrappers to properly define in law what metals can be sold on the Up and Up & force the right to express
But are there enough of us to effect a vote .

Wow. I don't think we have any laws about what yards can buy here. If there is, I'm not sure how much they're followed lol. I see burnt wire all the time at the scales, and they pay cash for everything, and you don't need ID. They just ask for your name, and location, but don't ask you to prove it.

Originally Posted by Proton

Too many half truths being submitted on this forum, time for me to take my leave.

How about Stripped Copper Wire? (ARS 44-1646 A and B)

Yes, but Arizona Law requires that we can only purchased Striped Copper Wire from a business entity with valid business license/tax I.D. or a registered contractor with a current/valid R.O.C. number.

half truths?