Making Scrapping a side business

**ffjosh** · 12-23-2013, 09:25 AM

Im near Fort Wayne IN

At the moment I just collect misc scrap from friends and family. Mostly junk they do not want.
I might make an extra $1500-$2,000 a year. Thats if im lucky.

Now my question is what steps do I need to take to make this a business.

The only reason I want to make it a business is so I can do more work. My city takes bids on cleaning up peoples property. Mostly abandoned houses.

People also are always getting rid of Fridges and freezers and other misc stuff with freeon (sp?) in it.
What kind of laws are there to gettting freeon out of these items. Also what is the equipment cost.

Most people just smash the line with a hammer but some scraps yards won't except it like that.

Rims and tires are another good one I want to start doing. Having a tire changer helps. Charge $5 to depose of ther tire and rim. Scrap the rim and I have a play I pay $2 to get rid of tires.

It would be awesome if I could make $5,000-$10,000 extra a year doing this. However I am not sure if its worth making it a true business.

Any help is appreciated.

Edit:

equipment wise I only have my Ford Explorer and a 16 foot car hauler. I want to save enough money to get a beater full size truck and torch set to start out.

I forgot I also have a combine and old tractors someone wants out of there woods.

**ffjosh** · 12-23-2013, 10:17 AM

Also anything I can to do help

How to keep my books in order
Can I claim mileage?
Can I claim part of my house/shop?

What are the cons?

Will I be taxed to death?

**Mick** · 12-23-2013, 10:19 AM

Check your State laws. You may need a license and insurance. Here, you simply say you are in the business of XXX. It's not necessary to actually do anything. For instance, I was insured as a Landscaper although I have never had any associated equipment, tools and have never ANY work as such. For the curious, it was because of insurance as a snowplower. I only needed insurance for it for six months although they required a full-year policy. So I put down "Landscaper" with cheaper rates. Technically, I was in business as a Landscaper and Snowplower.

**Mick** · 12-23-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by ffjosh

Also anything I can to do help

How to keep my books in order
Can I claim mileage?
Can I claim part of my house/shop?

What are the cons?

Will I be taxed to death?

Quckbooks SimpleStart and TurboTax is what I have used for five years.

**ffjosh** · 12-23-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Mick

Check your State laws. You may need a license and insurance. Here, you simply say you are in the business of XXX. It's not necessary to actually do anything. For instance, I was insured as a Landscaper although I have never had any associated equipment, tools and have never ANY work as such. For the curious, it was because of insurance as a snowplower. I only needed insurance for it for six months although they required a full-year policy. So I put down "Landscaper" with cheaper rates. Technically, I was in business as a Landscaper and Snowplower.

If you dont mind how much is insurance.
Also did you have people sign contracts?

Im more afraid of someone wanting a pile of scrap taken out of there yard and then accusing me of tearing up there yard.
Maybe someone getting hurt that is helping me ect ect.
If I would land a contact job I would need help. If someone who was helping me where to get hurt I dont want to be liable.

**ffjosh** · 12-23-2013, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mick

Quckbooks SimpleStart and TurboTax is what I have used for five years.

Duh, Ive used quickbooks before haha

Thanks

**Russell** · 12-24-2013, 11:24 AM

Before you use an assumed name you must file it within any state and then you must file with each state you do business in. If you incorporate within the state you operate and are using a ficticious name like: Big joshes scrap metal, inc. You can have a lawyer file for you, you can use an online service, or file yourself. You cannot use a ficticious name unless it registered. Think of your business filing as like its social security #. It keeps track of your operations that is separate from you as a person. Which also helps eliminate a lot of liability from your personal assets.

If you choose to operate as a sole proprietor you hold personal responsibility for damages, you have to use your full name before your title: Josh smith scrap metal. your social security # acts as your business id#. Each state has different variations I would check out exactly the state you choose to file in and operate in. State filing fees vary greatly I would recommend filing in the state you are operating in for simplification purposes. Illinois (my operating state) is by far the most expensive state. $500 filing fee +filing expenses ie: lawyer, service fees, etc. Indiana is far cheaper at around $70 filing fee + expenses.

Good luck do a lot of research before you take action. %90 of business fails within 2 years.

**ffjosh** · 12-27-2013, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Russell

Before you use an assumed name you must file it within any state and then you must file with each state you do business in. If you incorporate within the state you operate and are using a ficticious name like: Big joshes scrap metal, inc. You can have a lawyer file for you, you can use an online service, or file yourself. You cannot use a ficticious name unless it registered. Think of your business filing as like its social security #. It keeps track of your operations that is separate from you as a person. Which also helps eliminate a lot of liability from your personal assets.

If you choose to operate as a sole proprietor you hold personal responsibility for damages, you have to use your full name before your title: Josh smith scrap metal. your social security # acts as your business id#. Each state has different variations I would check out exactly the state you choose to file in and operate in. State filing fees vary greatly I would recommend filing in the state you are operating in for simplification purposes. Illinois (my operating state) is by far the most expensive state. $500 filing fee +filing expenses ie: lawyer, service fees, etc. Indiana is far cheaper at around $70 filing fee + expenses.

Good luck do a lot of research before you take action. %90 of business fails within 2 years.

Thanks for the information. I have been doing lots of research.

I am still on the fence about what I want to do.

**Patriot76** · 12-27-2013, 05:48 AM

Insurance for my business runs about $ 100 per month. I have it mostly for liability if something were to fly off the trailer or the trailer cut free and hit another vehicle. The other concern is starting a fire, since I am cutting in fields and shelter belts. My insurance covers a farm restoration business, probably a little more expensive than Mick's. I could not find insurance to cover scrapping as a business. I would like to know if others on the site have insurance to cover scrapping.

I avoid liability for others by contracting with them. I just offer them a percentage of the take, therefore they are working for themselves. 99% of the time I work on my own so this is seldom a concern. Good Luck

**BurlyGuys** · 12-27-2013, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by ffjosh

equipment wise I only have my Ford Explorer and a 16 foot car hauler. I want to save enough money to get a beater full size truck and torch set to start out.

I forgot I also have a combine and old tractors someone wants out of there woods.

This made me chuckle. You want to SAVE enough to buy a full size beater truck? Scrap the combine and the tractor, man. There's your truck money!

**CCRcameron** · 03-30-2014, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by ffjosh

If you dont mind how much is insurance.
Also did you have people sign contracts?

Im more afraid of someone wanting a pile of scrap taken out of there yard and then accusing me of tearing up there yard.
Maybe someone getting hurt that is helping me ect ect.
If I would land a contact job I would need help. If someone who was helping me where to get hurt I dont want to be liable.

I pay roughly $1000 per year (thats about $90 a month) for 500k business liability insurance, but it should be lower if you only have one "area" of occupation. I have five (lawncare, landscaping, pressure washing, debris removal, and....something else, lol). I wouldn't suggest putting anybody on your "books" until you have cash saved up. If they screw up, it could be everything for you. Just work for yourself and try to pay under the counter if you have to, or barter for labor.

**Yunkman** · 03-30-2014, 08:09 PM

You're in an agricultural state as I am and there's opportunity out there in farmyard cleanup. I take anything from "cakepans to combines" and many scrapyards will haul that big stuff on their equipment for free or very reasonable rates. I haul for half of the sale price and do it myself or with the wife. I don't want an employee to contend with and besides, I load with a skidsteer and things fall off my trailer while loading and break apart and fly around. By all means, get a 3/4 ton pickup when you can and a good sized skidsteer is a must in my eyes. I operated with a 16 ft car trailer until just recently. I carry an acetylene torch, generator, elec. impact and all kinds of tools.

Accept anything that's free as many people are just glad to get rid of it. Above all, be honest and pay promptly, don't leave a mess behind and finish the projects and you will build a good reputation for yourself. Word spreads and you'll be surprised how fast your business will increase. I consistently have a dozen or so clients in waiting at all times. Some will be in a big hurry to do their cleanup and others can be put off for a future date. Specify that on first contact.....get their cell number and ask the best time to contact them. Weather regulates alot of what and where I can load. I wish I'd started this sideline 40 years ago. (Wouldn't it be nice to have a stockpile of $20 a ton iron to sell today)

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