Why Do You Think They Call it Dope? - Page 2

Amazes me how many people need to ingest, inhale or shoot themselves up with something just to feel better. Life without artificial stimulation is really great!

clean, sober and non-medicated and loving every minute of it

I have no tolerance for anyone impaired on anything, in school, at work or on the highway. I also don't think government or anybody should be regulating morality. When government spends millions on enforcement and incarceration of something that can be grown in the ground. This same useful crop has been approved by the majority for medical use. Government needs to change when they spend millions on prisons, with guards making more than school teachers. We have a country that needs rebuilding and a opportunity to generate revenue period.

Agreed on the driving while intoxicated. I was just saying I don't see an uptick in it. People already did it while illegal. As Big Burt said, its a natural herb, one isn't spiking it with pills, etc. Yes you hear about it being laced with LSD but...with it being sold in shops that's a helluva lest chance of it happening then buying it from some dude on a corner.

Take it out of the shadows an put it in the light. You solve the majority of the problems it causes.

Sirscrapalot - Not a toker, but is a midnight joker.

I won't judge anyone for not using it, nor will I for using it. Long as your responsible about it, I don't care. If it keeps people from putting more of the pill crap in their body even better, or even the hard drugs..then it's a win in my book.

They drive stoned..throw the same book you do at drunk drivers.

Here's some fun facts...

Pot has been in use since 2700 bc..ancient Chinese, Greeks, an Romans used it for various ailments.

You can't die from pot use. Not counting driving on it of course.

It has accepted medical use..even if our government refuses to admit it.

It's also used to make hemp, which in turn is used in paper, clothing, an other goods of that nature.

The only chemicals, are what's used in the soil to grow it...which you don't need, as it grows just fine naturally outdoors..

Point is...it shouldn't be a class 1 drug in the same level as Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Crack an many other drugs.

Use it responsibly, an if you don't partake of it..so be it!

till the day comes when it's legal or decriminalized...we'll keep seeing products like Spice/Herbal Incense, Bath salts, etc.Or laced Heroin with prescription drugs, that kill people with one or two hits. Which are far more harmful..then a joint, magic brownie, or a bong hit.




Oh an this is only so long cause..I added the random facts. My first one was huge! LOL

How's this for a lively conversation KZ? LOL. Just want to add..I respect an appreciate all views, whether for or against. It's a topic that needs discussed, cause..it's coming sooner or later. We should at lest talk reasonably about it.

Sirscrapalot - We have always found the Irish a bit odd. They refuse to be English. - Winston Churchill

Noted Auminer!

Proof of how to handle the driving thing.

Today, some rapper was busted in MI I think it was, car reeked of it, cops charged him with DUI. It can be done, an is being done.

Today in CO and WA...money was diverted from the cartels. Last month, CO alone took 16 million(with taxes) from the cartels.

I can handle a a run on munchies food. lol.



Sirscrapalot - Saving his quotes from SMF for a special day...just need to decide which..day.

I first tried it more than twenty years ago at the suggestion of a close friend, I was a royal pain in the A$$ to all I encountered. She told me maybe it will help you "Chill-out", it did that for sure. I didn't like living on the edge of loosing a good job to drug testing, so I stopped, just like turning off a water faucet. Have not used marijuana in the last fifteen years, but I question a government that is blind to facts and common sense. A government that has violated our personal right to choose, has incarcerated more of it's citizens than any other country, refuses to study medical uses and insist that marijuana remain a class "A" drug. We are a great country with a government regulating and controlling it's citizens for the purposes of a few who seek power/wealth for themselves. This isn't a right or left issue, nor a democrat and republican issue. Here in California we were the first state to pass medical marijuana use, by a margin of greater than 80% of the people who voted. Yet we still have government from the feds. to local cities still trying to suppress what is legal. I guess they just don't like what the people wanted! Maybe it didn't fit their agenda! Maybe more laws and regulations for the "LAND OF THE FREE" is what our government desires for their needs. Maybe we need a larger criminal justice system, the American Dream!

Disclaimer : All you's are general, nothing in my post is directed at anyone on here specifically. I'm not arguing, or upset. Just engaging in a "lively(KZ's term!)" talk on this topic. No animals, small children, or anything else was harmed in the making of this post. The words below and above are my opinion an mine alone, an in no way reflect the views of the forum owners,staff, members, or anyone else but my own.

I think that's my beef with it also Burt. This isn't just stoners, an such wanting it done. Last poll I saw, said the majority want it legal. So..unless stoners make up 58 percent of the voting population...that tells me more then just people who smoke, etc want it legal. It's now just kept illegal to keep fat pockets fat. Private prisons make money off this, it costs what for a prison to care for an inmate? 20 to 30k a year. They are being paid something to make that worthwhile an to keep building prisons. Funding would be lost to a lot of people if it it was legalized on a national level. Even the Justice Dept is saying they got bigger fish to fry. Tho, their still busting legal medical pot shops in Ca.

As I said before, there has been so much misinformation spread on it it's not even funny. Thing is tho...people have gotten smarter, they know bs when they hear it now. Back in the 80s with crack an heroin at an all time high, one could play on that fear factor, we just left the 60's an 70s along with Vietnam. I can't find the article online right now, but I was reading a couple weeks back, about a top DEA guy calling it a serious health issue. Please tell me how? Science has proven it's got an acceptable use in health. It's being used to treat folks with serious issues from Glaucoma, Cancer, Aids, to PTSD, Insomnia, Chronic pain, etc. I don't know about you folks..but I'd rather be told to smoke a joint, or eat a edible infused with THC, then risk a serious addiction to..I dunno...Oxycontin, Hydrocodine(however you spell it)Vicodin, Percocet, etc.

Did you know a 50mg Oxy goes from anywhere from 1.00 per mg to 2.00 per mg? Pain clinics have turned people into junkies with the pills. We have people hooked on pills, turning to Heroin to combat it. Seriously, WTF.

It's natural. Native Americans use Peyote, for their spiritual quests(Not all, but at the ones in AZ do.). Rasta's smoke the herb, for similar reasons. Auminer brought up laced weed, with LSD. Guess what it's not the only thing laced with it. Here's a link to for you..folks Fla. family hospitalized, pregnant mom in induced labor, after eating LSD-laced meat* - NY Daily News another link Cops: Florida Family Was Hospitalized After Eating LSD-Laced Steak Bought At Walmart | The Smoking Gun. There is always going to be someone doing something stupid...let's at lest minimize that. I'd rather my friends get their weed from a regulated shop, then some dude sitting at home who might decide to screw with them.

Fact is..many people use it. It's not just kids. I know people in their 50's, 60's, an 70's who either vape, or eat the edibles, or drink it infused in tea or other liquids. We have people, smart people, like Burt, and many, many more..who have to risk a job to use something responsibly. Yet..we have senators, an congressman getting high off pot, and other drugs!

Looks like I found that novel I wrote earlier...LOL..actually this is Still shorter. Ha ha!

Here's some links for you guys in regards to hemp, an it's uses.

5 Surprising Health Benefits of Hemp | Care2 Healthy Living

Soda vs Marijuana - Which Do You Think is Worse?

The Many Environmental and Health Benefits of Hemp

7 Health Benefits of Hemp | 3FC

Hemp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More links..tho some of the choices are questionable...lol. It's a politcal thing in that regard tho, either way..interesting read lest for me..

15 Extremely Powerful People Who Think Pot Should Be Legalized - PolicyMic Some are dems, some repubs, some libertarians.

an a couple more talking about the percentage of Americans for legalization and/or decriminalization. Sorry for the sources, I tried to find more, but alas, I only have so much time, and I got tired of digging through tons of articles..lol.

For First Time, Americans Favor Legalizing Marijuana

WSJ/NBC Poll: Solid Support for Legal Marijuana - Washington Wire - WSJ

Americans Split Evenly on Legalizing Marijuana - ABC News

Enjoy the reading. All the sources aren't what I would call...stoner websites. Matter of fact the majority are health ones. The wiki gives a fine example of uses for it, from clothing to insulation an animal feed, to rope and it's part in bio-fuels.

Disclaimer : All you's are general, nothing in my post is directed at anyone on here specifically. I'm not arguing, or upset. Just engaging in a "lively(KZ's term!)" talk on this topic. No animals, small children, or anything else was harmed in the making of this post. The above is my opinion an mine alone, an in no way reflect the views of the forum owners, members, or anyone else but my own.

"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

"It is not best that we should all think alike; it is a difference of opinion that makes horse races." - Mark Twain

Sirscrapalot - The public is the only critic whose opinion is worth anything at all. - Mark Twain

The last time I checked, the average cost per prisoner was $50k per year in California (that's state ran not private). We have more women in prison than any place in the world. More than half there for non-violent drug offenses. In 1970 there were 5,600 women in prison in the entire nation. In 2004 we had 103,000 women in prison in this country, in 34 years did women go on a crime wave? Hell no they didn't, crime became big business in this country. If you can label someone as a addict, then add habitual criminal to that label, well now you have a commodity, a product that you can lock up over and over again. This year California well ship prisoners to private prisons out of state and have budgeted $20 million for this and plan to spend $50 million by 2016 (are prisoners a product?). I don't know anyone in prison personally. I do have a brother who needs medical marijuana to maintain his health (without it he can't eat solid foods - real simple). I know we have to change the direction this country is going and it will start when we decide to educate not incarcerate!

Some fun figures...,

Let's assume first, that every state if it was fully legal..has the same profit as Colorado...14 mil, counting the 2 mil in 2 taxes..

14,000,000 x 12 = 168,000,000 Colorado alone 1 year total

168,000,000 x 50 = 8400000000 Country wide, all 50 states.

8,400,000,000, So...8.4 billion...that's a lot of funds to put towars other things.

Mind you I'm being optmistic an assuming every state would experience similar sales. Of course some wouldn't, like the less populated Dakotas, an other similar type states. But places like..NY, Cali, Texas, an other places with a large population an big cities...

That's a lot of money to be going towards, schools, highway infrastructure, etc etc.

I'm by no means a math guru, an I'm sure my numbers are off, but you get the point.

Sirscrapalot - Would like to have that kinda money!

The longer you can keep a kid's mind growing and learning the better (not easy). There is no easy solutions, but there are better choices, starting with ability to determine one's own needs. Without over regulations and laws designed for beneficial needs of a few.