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Originally Posted by pjost

Am I the only person on SMF that thinks a 14 year-old should respect the wishes of his parents/elders? I feel for h&s as much as anybody, but we are only hearing ONE side of the story. If my teenager came to me with "my friends on the internet said you should piss into the wind!" Yeah, I'd be more than a little upset. Maybe I am old school. I should just move into the nursing home. Then I'd be in the same boat as hunterandscrapper. They wouldn't let me scrap there.

Yes I think that too and I would not go tell my dad to piss in the wind but what I've heard so far is that the scrap is on the grandparents property which it does not appear they are concerned about so why is this "future uncle" getting involved it's not his property or scrap. I'd be proud to have a hard working son one day and that's what I'm doing now working to actually do something not sit around and beg for money.

"Punch him in the face" Lol, Had to say it.
Could you just move it behind the garage so they cant see it?

they live out in the sticks and you cant see it

Originally Posted by BRASSCATCHER

I did not tell the op to tell his dad to piss in the wind.

I'm not saying you did I would be thinking that too I was posting because another forum member appeared to have that impression

Ok sorry bout your situation ,but there is a easy answer to your dilemma if the grandparents don't side with you .

Like others have said can you build a shed ? I also live on a farm and have a unsightly metal pile outside . Mine is tucked behind the barn and is seldom seen by anyone . Do you have a garage space ? Do you know any local scrappers ? You could trade you steel for copper or any other dense more profitable metal . Then the pile is gone and you haven't lost a thing . At your age you should respect your elders and listen to what they say . It's a 2 way street and if you can explain your intentions without loosing your cool you may be able to continue . Work on that temper as life goes on you will be conversing with strangers and losing your temper is the equivalent of losing that job . There is always ewaste you could trade for as well . Good luck it gets easier from here on out .

As Brass said "stand your ground", but also remember to be respectful to all involved. Starting with your Mom/Dad & Grandparents work with them. Your at the same age I was, when I first started earning my own money, my family valued that and yours should too! You need to evaluate your resources (family is your best), number one priority. Next resolve the issue of transporting your scrap (valuable commodities) to nearest recycling center. This needs to be a regular and profitable event. Need to find a trusted, willing, and able person, to transport your scrap. That person has to be of legal age to drive and sell scrap for you. You will have to fairly compensate (pay) this person, as you should. Work hard at this and even harder at educating yourself. Get control of that temper "thing", in my life anytime something went wrong for me, it was my temper that really went wrong!

Originally Posted by pjost

My advise to you hunter & scrapper would be to respect your elders and do as they wish. I see in one of your other posts you are only 14. You have your whole life in front of you to scrap stuff. Maybe have your future uncle help you load it and sell it. If it's a decent pile maybe it will open his eyes as to how much money can be made. I feel for you, but sometimes there are liability issues with piles of junk on property, or issues with the authorities not wanting an eyesore in the area. Good luck.

OH, OK
hes only 14

then he should just obey his elders.

but at 14, how can u have a future uncle?
i think ur still too young for that stuff

but anyways, just do whats right

Just listen to your elders? The young fella is trying to make money an do work at his age.

I agree, you should respect your elders. This is a case of stand your ground, but also be respectful. Make a list(remember it if you don't want to read the list while talking to them) of why it's good your doing this. I'll start..

1. YOUR own money. Not your parents, or grandparents. It's a good way to learn to be responsible with your money.
2. Gets you into creating a work ethic.
3. Helps you become more responsible when your old enough for a 'real' job.
4. You don't need an allowance. Your making your own spending money. No different then a lemonade stand.
5. Teaches you to do for yourself, an not rely on others to buy you things, or give you things.
6. Experience for the real world. Mom an Dad won't always be there to support you, nor should they be.
7. Use example from here of other young scrappers. RedCross, Kochy, an if I recall right, even S4E. Jord also tho he's not a teen. THey all share a trait..their young, an their doing it successfully.

Continue on as you need to. Going by what I know of H&S, here an also via PM's, his grandparents have no objections. If they don't then yes..everyone else, as BC put it.."Can piss in the wind". Don't use those words. Always be respectful in your argument. Losing your temper will lose you the debate before it even gets going. Kinda like fighting on the internet. lol.

I'm all for respecting your elders an listening, except when it's something silly like this. The kid is trying to work. He's trying to make some money. He found something he likes, an he's trying to do it. Sometimes..Parents are wrong. It's not like their telling him to go to school an he's saying no here. The young man is doing something we all ***** about the youth of today not doing..wanting to work. I hear friends ***** an moan all the time about how all their kids do is sit around watching tv, playing games, texting, living on a cell phone.

Here we got a young man, who is outside, being active, an building a love for something he might wish to do when he's older. Seems to me the parents should be proud of him for taking this upon himself at his age. I applaud him, an while he's no relation of mine, nor do I know him in person, I'm proud of him for trying to do something his fellow peers aren't. Sometimes, parents should just listen to their kids.

On the uncle thing.. I feel your pain. I had one like that. He's now an ex-uncle. I don't even talk to the other one I'm blood related to, due to how he treats my family. I don't got daddy issues, I do have an uncle issue tho. LOL.

Anyways..talk to your grandparents, an make sure they are ok with your pile. Talk with your parents an explain why this is a good thing for you. Do it respectfully tho. Don't get sassy, don't throw a fit if things don't go your way. If you do that, all your arguments about being mature enough, etc go out the window. Show them you are learning something, it's not just fun and games. I'm sure your parents just want what's best for you.

One other thing...is your pile as tidy as you can make it? If not that could be part of it. Keep it as tidy as you can. Stack things, use buckets/totes/whatever containers you can. DON'T Make a mess of it. It's why my neighbors don't get mad at the work I do under my carport, an stuff I keep there. I keep it tidy, an stacked, etc. If it was a mess they'd be all over me along with the county an town. It's no so nobody bothers me.

As the Fresh Prince sang..."Parents just don't understand". Yes! I got to use a Fresh Prince of Bel Air quote in a post!

Sirscrapalot - Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. - Confucius

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Sorry hobo, beat ya to it!

This is a problem I would hope to have when my son is 14 . Like my father would say in four years you can go and do whatever the **** you want . Fact is your under their roof and they are responsible for you . Have you been hurt scrapping ? There has to be a reason they don't like your steel pile . I say sell it off make them happy and dive into ewaste head first .

Computer nerds are worshiped , scrapers tend to be looked down upon . What is your soon to be uncle in laws profession ?
I don't want to assume its white collar but if it is that would make sense . Either way you will learn something from all of this so don't get upset .

Maybe trade that pile for a shed on craigslist , trying anything is better than being upset and doing nothing . Like others have said there has to be more to the story

Hummm .... obey your elders. That could be a problem.

There are two kinds of people. There are followers and there are leaders. Neither one is any better than the other. It's simply who you are.

If you're a follower then be a good follower. Obey the orders of those above you.

Being a good leader is something else.

This young man is showing initiative. Seems like he's a self starter. It's not like somebody is telling him he's got to go out and work. He's doing this on his own. It might be better to give him a bit of leeway (with guidance ) while he's doing what comes naturally to him.

Hey British..maybe save one of those beverages for yourself that your sending.

Good input from all. Hopefully it'll help the lad out.

Sirscrapalot - I'm not old, I'm just aged.

Use the extra time to research old threads. Developed a business plan for when you can legally make your own decisions. If you are really serious about this business this can be an opportunity to really learn about this business. There are no problems only solutions. John Lennon