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    Ahh ok, general law any two axle must not weight more than 34000 lbs, vehicle weight and payload combimed


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    OK, so this guy was something like 10,800lbs overweight....BUT the DOT system of measurement in SD is a little strange.

    Basically it states the maximum axle weight is the width of the tread in total on each axle times 500lbs... Someone should really give them a lesson in physics since you can in fact have a skinny tire AND have a larger footprint. Example: Supersingles are very wide, but running 110 psi vs duals running 95 psi, the duals will have a larger footprint. Why? Well, it's simple, the tire's carcass weight plus the pounds per square inch is the actual footprint of the tire on the road surface.

    let's use my dodge. 6,000 lbs with me in it. I run my tires at 42psi, conincidentally the tire weighs 42 lbs. Static tire psi on the ground would be close to 43psi...thus a tire off the truck with nothing but the tire and rim combination would have slightly more than 1.5 square inches of complete tread contact with the road soooo.... a 6000lb truck, divided by four tires, divided again by the the air pressure of the tire would equal the contact patch on the ground... aka

    35.7 square inches of surface per tire.

    http://www.sddot.com/resources/Broch...riefing_2d.pdf <<<thats my source for the SD DOT information.

    Anyways...it's a ****ty way for them to tag you with a fine on a smaller truck, just my opinion. In fact, cut me a ticket like that and I'm going to make your whole state look like morons for coming up with this stupendous failure of math. Imagine if your running a Single axle grain truck on 9.50- tires...those older trucks are rated for SERIOUS weight, always have been...but according to DOT math, a few mattresses would put you over weight.

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    That must have been very overweight.

    Now, it says that it was overweight on an axle. Do we know if it's a semi axle? I've seen farmers go overboard on loading goosenecks, too.

    Who knows what happened. I feel bad if he was a farm driver who worked where there was no scale to weigh on nearby. If he worked for a freight company, though, he should have reasonable access to a scale somewhere.

    I was overweight by about 100 pounds on a truck once, but this had to be very overloaded to cause an $8900 fine. Or there was something else wrong, too???

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    That's what I mean...according to the archaic "maths" running 9.50 highway tires on any 10k/axle gooseneck would have you grossly overweight in a hurry. Lot's of guys I know in hotshotting run triple axle, single wheel goosenecks and fifth wheels for the best mileage. Do the math on a skinny tire and your talking some rediculous fines for hauling a couple generators around....and that'd be essentially in the 40k range with a gmc topkick or ihi 4700... Not suggesting the guy wasn't wrong just that if it was me...you could kiss my grits if you thought I'd pay a fine based on archaic math, especially if I wasn't over the manufacturer's axle rating.

    My understanding is rating is supposed to be like this> interstate 80k/105k for double/triple trailer/truck axles. No more than axle or combined tire gross weight rating, whichever is lower...on any given axle...THEN levied fine for taking your truck down a secondary road with bridges and such not rated for your gross tonnage. A measurement of tread width times an arbitrary number do NOTHING...heck, some guys are running skinnies to save fuel right now anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by armygreywolf View Post
    That's what I mean...according to the archaic "maths" running 9.50 highway tires on any 10k/axle gooseneck would have you grossly overweight in a hurry. Lot's of guys I know in hotshotting run triple axle, single wheel goosenecks and fifth wheels for the best mileage. Do the math on a skinny tire and your talking some rediculous fines for hauling a couple generators around....and that'd be essentially in the 40k range with a gmc topkick or ihi 4700... Not suggesting the guy wasn't wrong just that if it was me...you could kiss my grits if you thought I'd pay a fine based on archaic math, especially if I wasn't over the manufacturer's axle rating.

    My understanding is rating is supposed to be like this> interstate 80k/105k for double/triple trailer/truck axles. No more than axle or combined tire gross weight rating, whichever is lower...on any given axle...THEN levied fine for taking your truck down a secondary road with bridges and such not rated for your gross tonnage. A measurement of tread width times an arbitrary number do NOTHING...heck, some guys are running skinnies to save fuel right now anyways.
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