Shtf

I have guns and good friends but I do not prep anymore!!

Burt; from what I've been reading on the Internet you don't have any water. How bad is it in your area?

I live in Wisconsin, we have a rather out of the way and reasonably secure shop, I live in the city of Madison but...as far as our neighborhood goes we are all friends and familiar with each other...having dealt with apartments in the block next to us getting shot at (hate to say this but a certain crowd trying to make their impression upon a neighborhood full of families...) and we got together and told the landlord he needs to evict the problem people in his building... couple guys also took to watching the corner via scoped rifle, who's gonna feel sorry for a guy getting shot himself whilst drive by shooting?

At the same time...I have a place up north, the means to get there, and I know how to fish, hunt, fix stuff, make stuff, my kid can sew, he learned to smoke meat, make jerky.

I'm not worried, I have combat experience and have a real good idea what to expect from a bad situation. Smart money says don't paint yourself a target by being a traditional prepper. Guy like me with my experience, we will take everything from you and leave you in a ditch. (Not me, but think about how many trained individuals there are out there right this second...) I don't even advocate gun ownership anymore, having one go to for each family member plus a house gun plus a PDW for the truck...sure if it dictates, but guns inspire false confidence. Unless you can do what I can and put 10 rounds in a row on a 12" steel deer target standing unsupported from 225 meters, think about other things...because trading lead is going to get you killed.

I've said this before on this forum, the most valuable person when things go bad is the person who can keep things running, the mechanics and nurses, nothing else matters as much as them. I also impress upon you guys that choosing to keep an old carbed truck or car for a bug out vehicle is a BAD idea. Somewhat modern fuel injected cars and trucks ALL meet a secretive military derived standard for EMP, unlike the movies they do not simply cease to function. In fact extensive testing indicated that they might shut off but in almost all cases are easily restarted.

Prepping is for localized disasters like hurricanes (not that local) to tornados and floods...ice storms you name it...in those cases having a few weeks of supplies is an excellent idea. What you should always have is an alternate method to stay warm, enough fuel to get to your alternate location AND BACK and water. Food isn't as much of a concern as you think. You can eat the underbark of pine trees, rats, mice...snakes, bugs...nobody ever thinks about that... My backup plan would be to expand the roach colony my friend has for her bearded dragons and use that to provide all our protein needs (if it came to that).

Bullet points...do not make yourself a target. Don't even tell friends or family about what you do or don't have. Stay mobile...attachment to a location will get you killed. An old truck is not a good truck necessarily. Spend your free time learning, ALWAYS learn something new, obscure old school ways of fixing and creating are skills you may never need but without electricity...what else is there?

We have neighbors that are a little over the top on it. They own 6-8 1970s trucks. I agree on what armygreywolf said- they're always fixing something. I own a 1986 Dodge and a 1987 Chevrolet- the Dodge is carbed, the Chevy TBI. If an EMP did kill the Chevrolet (I doubt it would, too), the Dodge would still be a pain in the butt to start, and would cause more problems than it would solve.

If it hits the fan, it could be worse. We know how to farm. If someone kills me, I'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they're just killing themselves.

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does every one know the rule of 3s?

3 min. no air

3 days no water

3 weeks no food

3 months no shelter

your dead.

I married into an LDS family and I'm some what of a "common sense conspiracy/realist kind of guy" 50/60 years ago every one was a "prepper" to some degree. nuff said.

California in 30 years...

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Just kidding but it all depends how shtf rolls out: fast and big, slow and big, etc. I used to be a "survivalist" back in the day (probably the term before "prepper") but then I got too fat, lazy, and the family ate up most of the money. But I do have some off-grid skills and can bs with people so that I'm not socially undesired, and maybe even have some leadership skills, so who knows...

I think I have some advantage because even though we have a couple hundred thousand people here, my area is still pretty rural with almost no natural barriers (except that its cold in the winter). But still, especially is the shtf is big and fast, one wrong turn getting "out" and run into the wrong people (typically I can only shoot one gun at a time) and who knows??? But, still I will make the effort and try to stay out the masses way.

I'm sure that for some of folks here on the forum, we believe we might not be here when the sthf but I don't have the ultimate say in that regards. I can only hang onto my faith and see what happens if that ultimate game changer happens in my lifetime.

A couple of interesting books that some might (may have already seen) like to check out. Both are "old".

A work of fiction that's interesting (and is centered on California) is called Lucifer's Hammer and came out in the late 1970s. The story is that a comet hits the Earth as the shtf. It has both individual and small-town "prepper" action and climax.

A great "survivalist" book is Life After Doomsday that came out in 1980. It is written by a PhD (Bruce Clayton) who turned survivalist (he was also based in Cali land first). I lost track of Clayton after a while but the book stands alone as a great primer, especially in the days of Cold Wat nuclear war. Might be able to be found on Amazon or such.

Good luck all...

Before it hits this will grow .
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A scary concept is how many trees , how much paper is needed to print us out of debt .
Digital currency takes up less space .

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