Market Manipulation - Page 2

Some people still have 401k 's so they are in the stock market

A report was published by Wells Fargo a couple of years ago that stated that more then 80% of the people they issue loans to aren't able to afford to pay on them so yeah, it all makes sense.

This is starting to sound like SCIENCE FICTION - Scary thing, but reality and true with most having a hard time grasping (including myself).

I dunno, some of us knew it was going to get to this point or knew it was already like this. I was reading a thing on facebook last week that america as a whole would rather believe in a lie then know the truth because the truth causes panic.

Originally Posted by street_sweeper

I was reading a story about venture capitalists in Silicon Valley and Creative Destruction really jumped out, Andreessen is the guy who invented Netscape Navigator, these guys don't want to manipulate the market just create a country of their own.

Weissman said, “Silicon Valley V.C.s are all techno-optimists. They have the arrogant belief that you can take a geography and remove all obstructions and have nothing but a free flow of capital and ideas, and that it’s good, it’s very good, to creatively destroy everything that has gone before.” Some Silicon Valley V.C.s believe that these values would have greater sway if their community left America behind: Andreessen’s nerd nation with a charter and a geographic locale. Peter Thiel favors “seasteading,” establishing floating cities in the middle of the ocean. Balaji Srinivasan, until recently a general partner at a16z and now the chairman of one of its Bitcoin companies, has called for the “ultimate exit.” Arguing that the United States is as fossilized as Microsoft, and that the Valley has become stronger than Boston, New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C., combined, Srinivasan believes that its denizens should “build an opt-in society, ultimately outside the U.S., run by technology.”

Sounds exactly like Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged

I keep finding myself referring back to study's and whatnot but back before Arnold was governor and it was still Gray Davis, a study was published that found if California separated from the us they could hold their own and the rest o the country would fail.

Originally Posted by mikeinreco

FACEBOOK: Probably not a good place to get info

Better Facebook then a super market tabloid.

California will not divide or will it ever want to leave the union - that is pure fantasy. Fantasy and fiction are not the same thing, the majority of Cal's populous are die-hard americans and more conservative than we get credit for.

It would seem to me that everything is a lie; From the stock market and metal prices to our economy and employment numbers, to the manipulation of the news stories of what we hear and what is presented as important. I believe the lies can only go on so long. At some point, the curtain will be pulled back and we will be faced with the choice not believing it is the man behind the curtain or that it is.

Gold and silver are truth. Paper and promises are not.
Plumbing is real. Banking is not.
Doctors are real. Health care insurance is not.




The Gods of the Copybook Headings
Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings'



AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Originally Posted by logansryche

I keep finding myself referring back to study's and whatnot but back before Arnold was governor and it was still Gray Davis, a study was published that found if California separated from the us they could hold their own and the rest o the country would fail.

Well, considering they are close to bankrupt now with their "give the people everything they want (legal and otherwise)" mentality, I would like to see how long they would "hold their own". Pretty much about the length of a New York minute.

Originally Posted by wayne1956

Well, considering they are close to bankrupt now with their "give the people everything they want (legal and otherwise)" mentality, I would like to see how long they would "hold their own". Pretty much about the length of a New York minute.

If they are Illinois beat em to it first.

Originally Posted by t00nces2

It would seem to me that everything is a lie; From the stock market and metal prices to our economy and employment numbers, to the manipulation of the news stories of what we hear and what is presented as important. I believe the lies can only go on so long. At some point, the curtain will be pulled back and we will be faced with the choice not believing it is the man behind the curtain or that it is.

Gold and silver are truth. Paper and promises are not.
Plumbing is real. Banking is not.
Doctors are real. Health care insurance is not.

That's what I was trying to hint to but didn't want a forum of people that have different views on things call be crazy - i'm still waiting for the day this country implodes on itself and we go back to trading goods as a method of payment.

I'm not sure who controls who, it's business controls the government, whats it matter same results. Lincoln was a railroad attorney for the Illinois Central RR before he was president, campaigned on the expansion of the country and growth of the railroads (big business). It's been USA Inc. ever since.