Cecil the Lion

I was just reading about this. I had read about Cecil earlier in the day, an this article had been updated with things I didn't know before.

Couple of reasons folks are pissed off.

1. It was a local favorite. The Lion was famous there.
2. It was illegally baited an lured out of the National Park by the Dentist's guides.
3. It was shot with bow an arrow then tracked for 40 hours. ( I have no idea if this is common with bow hunting..) an then finished off with a gun.
4. He beheaded a lion that was famous an loved by the people of that community.
5. He poached it.

Far as fee's, the government, etc...

This happened in Africa, so..no fee's for the Big Gov' to collect..unless were talking the country it happened in. Most hunters I know are pretty attune to what their hunting an don't kill what they don't plan to use. You know they did try letting people hunt with out regulation once..it almost led to buffalo being wiped out, amongst many other animals. Humans have proved they lack the common sense to know when they've done to much harm to a species.

Do hunters need their hands held? Nope. Just another case of a couple of idiots ruining it for everyone else. An that's why you have fee's an licenses an all the rules you do nowadays. To stop others from being an idiot like the one who caused the rule to be needed in the first place.

Here's the part I'm upset over tho...People who post crap to their twitter, facebook, instagram, etc. then get upset when others don't agree with them, or voice their opinion on it. Here's a tip..don't want people all up in your **** giving you their opinion...DO NOT POST ABOUT IT. Don't tweet it. Don't shop photos, don't post it on a forum, etc..if you don't want people to comment.

Sirscrapalot - In the jungle, in the mighty jungle, the Lion sleeps tonight...Wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh, wimoweh - The Lion King

Well, I see both sides, but there is not much I (or we) can do about it in any way. What I really care about (and can do nothing about) is the hypocrisy, the double standard, of what seems like every issue. People seem more upset over the death of a lion than they do about Christians having their heads sawed off on a beach, or drown in a pool in a cage, or burned alive in a cage. People are now upset and criticizing that Planned Parenthood has been filmed engaging in completely unethical practices, but when PETA films cows or chickens being "mistreated," there is a hew and cry to give a crap.

The hypocrisy I see is this: It would seem that the full weight of the "you have to give a crap about this" media is more concerned about chickens or lions or bald eagles or turtles or "The Earth," than they care about human beings.

I listen to Dennis Prager on the radio. He has talked about asking a question of college students when he lectures, and the question is this: Your dog and a stranger are caught in a river and will drown. You can only save one. Which do you save? The answer is that in order to act ethically, you must save the human being. To save your dog is an act of selfishness that perhaps God (if there is one) will not forgive.

I was also watching a show about Alaskans (I don't know which one) where one of the trappers caught a lynx. The lynx had just been trapped and he went back to dispatch his catch. He fashioned a loop of wire on a long stick and quietly went back and put the loop around the neck and snapped it tight. As the cat was dying, he told the filmer that this was not something that he enjoyed, but it was the quickest and most humane way of ending the cats life. He said that this cat would die as pleasant a death as any lynx could hope to die because... this really hit me... NOTHING DIES A PLEASANT DEATH IN THE WILD. That lynx would have starved or been injured or gored by prey or been torn apart by a pack of wolves. As deaths go, that lynx got the premium package death.

So... I like to hunt. I like to eat meat. So, I must be comfortable knowing that the deaths of animals is inevitable. Given a lighter and a can of gasoline and told I had to make a choice whether to burn a lion or a taliban prisoner in a cage, I would burn the lion. I would shoot the taliban (were his crimes suitable for death), but I could not commit the inhumanity of burning another person to death.

So, Cecil got iced. I feel more sorry for the people to whom he was familiar, but everything lives to die. The dentist was an idiot to glorify the results of a botched hunt. He is paying more for his stupidity than he is for killing a lion.

Originally Posted by t00nces2

Well, I see both sides, but there is not much I (or we) can do about it in any way. What I really care about (and can do nothing about) is the hypocrisy, the double standard, of what seems like every issue. People seem more upset over the death of a lion than they do about Christians having their heads sawed off on a beach, or drown in a pool in a cage, or burned alive in a cage. People are now upset and criticizing that Planned Parenthood has been filmed engaging in completely unethical practices, but when PETA films cows or chickens being "mistreated," there is a hew and cry to give a crap.

The hypocrisy I see is this: It would seem that the full weight of the "you have to give a crap about this" media is more concerned about chickens or lions or bald eagles or turtles or "The Earth," than they care about human beings.

I listen to Dennis Prager on the radio. He has talked about asking a question of college students when he lectures, and the question is this: Your dog and a stranger are caught in a river and will drown. You can only save one. Which do you save? The answer is that in order to act ethically, you must save the human being. To save your dog is an act of selfishness that perhaps God (if there is one) will not forgive.

I was also watching a show about Alaskans (I don't know which one) where one of the trappers caught a lynx. The lynx had just been trapped and he went back to dispatch his catch. He fashioned a loop of wire on a long stick and quietly went back and put the loop around the neck and snapped it tight. As the cat was dying, he told the filmer that this was not something that he enjoyed, but it was the quickest and most humane way of ending the cats life. He said that this cat would die as pleasant a death as any lynx could hope to die because... this really hit me... NOTHING DIES A PLEASANT DEATH IN THE WILD. That lynx would have starved or been injured or gored by prey or been torn apart by a pack of wolves. As deaths go, that lynx got the premium package death.

So... I like to hunt. I like to eat meat. So, I must be comfortable knowing that the deaths of animals is inevitable. Given a lighter and a can of gasoline and told I had to make a choice whether to burn a lion or a taliban prisoner in a cage, I would burn the lion. I would shoot the taliban (were his crimes suitable for death), but I could not commit the inhumanity of burning another person to death.

So, Cecil got iced. I feel more sorry for the people to whom he was familiar, but everything lives to die. The dentist was an idiot to glorify the results of a botched hunt. He is paying more for his stupidity than he is for killing a lion.

Amen brother! Notice how much publicity Tom Brady gets for "destroying" a cell phone, but Hillary loses emails vital to our national security and conservatives get blasted for even questioning her integrity...odd priorities in this country

Originally Posted by PartTimeScrapper

The fact that we as Americans sit back an let the government tell us what we can and can not do is the greater problem here. Why do you need a license to fish and hunt? So the government can collect another tax they call a fee. So what he killed a Lion. If he has the paperwork that says he was on a legal hunt then go after the guides not him. If he doesnt have said paperwork then send him back to Africa to face the justice system there.

I'm torn on this one with you PTS. On the one hand I do like the Gov to be relatively hands-off, but on the other I have seen the benefits of our "fee" dollars go towards the Fish & Wildlife Dept., which has made my fishing and hunting experiences better. But personally I dont see the need to kill lions. Maybe they offer the same hunt but only supply a knife next time instead of a scoped rifle...make it more interesting (and put it on video for the electronically depraved Americans to consume). My money would be on the lion

Originally Posted by shendog

I'm torn on this one with you PTS. On the one hand I do like the Gov to be relatively hands-off, but on the other I have seen the benefits of our "fee" dollars go towards the Fish & Wildlife Dept., which has made my fishing and hunting experiences better. But personally I dont see the need to kill lions. Maybe they offer the same hunt but only supply a knife next time instead of a scoped rifle...make it more interesting (and put it on video for the electronically depraved Americans to consume). My money would be on the lion

I would imagine the bush villages would rather see the lion dispatched instead of their children. Bears are on the rise here in Florida, so, bear hunts have been authorized. Alligators are routinely killed to keep pets and children and elderly safer.

Even with a scoped rifle, the outcome of a lion hunt is not set in stone.

Originally Posted by shendog

Amen brother! Notice how much publicity Tom Brady gets for "destroying" a cell phone, but Hillary loses emails vital to our national security and conservatives get blasted for even questioning her integrity...odd priorities in this country

But! Gasp! Tm Brady deflated some footballs!

I find it kinda pathetic the outrage hype over this yet planned parent hood admitted many times to selling off human organs in a black market no mass media outrage over that .

All the people involved in the lion "hunt" are losers; the shooter for needing his ego stroked so much to take every game animal on the Pope & Young list and his "guides" for their greed.

But, where is the outrage (just confined to a couple of African things) about how many of his citizens that "president-for-life" Robert M. (who really gives a s*** what is last name is) of "Cecil's" home country has had killed over the years so he can stay in power?? Or African dictators in general??

Where's the outcry about the millions of people who have been killed in the long running, low-intensity but high-cruelty Congo war?? Nope, haven't heard any outcry about that situation.

Social media, and the media in general massively distort scales and most people who "discuss" these issues by posting neither don't have the ability or the willingness to sit and reflect on such things using scale. Democracy is a great things but it must be tempered somewhat by people willing to think intelligently for more than 5 seconds at a time. Being ruled by a mob of idiots isn't probably any better than being ruled by small groups of smart dictators...

OK, I guess the Congo War is basically "over" but did you ever hear anyone talk about it (celebs, U.S. gov types, whoever?). I wonder if 100,000 Americans would have signed Obwan's white house petitions about the Congo War when it was going on and all these people were dying. Some how I don't think that would have happend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

A different point of view:

1: I think i understand the viewpoint of the environmentalists like PETA. In their view all the furry animals are innocents ... much like children. Being cruel to an animal is akin to being cruel to a child.

People on the other hand are far from innocent. We bear the stain of original sin.

2: There's a point of view that "wildlife management" is a contradiction in terms. Left to it's own devices nature will manage itself quite nicely. Everything will turn out just as it should.

That may or may not include the human race.

Overall the whole Cecil thing is kinda sad. It sucks to be the dentist and sucks even more to be the lion !

< Shrugs > I guess that's Bungle in the Jungle.

He paid $50 K + to kill him! RIP! The Dentist had money... Now he is ****ed! No business, death threats and he is on the run... hopefully some rich guy finds him hiding in South Sudan and pays 10 K to shoot an arrow through him and follows him for 40 hours before the kill shot! Should he be able to use his cash to hunt these animals. Yes. Is he sorry he did, I am sure he is! Rich people pay a lot of money to kill Giraffes, Lions and other animals! I think if you paid 50k YOU COULD HAVE GONE ON QUITE A SAFARI THROUGHT Africa IN ORDER TO SEE LOTS OF ANIMALS... not just ones you wanted to kill!

'What Lion?,' Zimbabweans Don't Give A **** About Cecil Story - informationliberation
‘What lion?,’ Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil circus | New York Post

HARARE — As social media exploded with outrage this week at the killing of Cecil the lion, the untimely passing of the celebrated predator at the hands of an American dentist went largely unnoticed in the animal’s native Zimbabwe.
“What lion?” acting information minister Prisca Mupfumira asked in response to a request for comment about Cecil, who was at that moment topping global news bulletins and generating reams of abuse for his killer on websites in the United States and Europe.
The government has still given no formal response, and on Thursday the papers that chose to run the latest twist in the Cecil saga tucked it away on inside pages.
One title had to rely on foreign news agency copy because it failed to send a reporter to the court appearance of two locals involved.
In contrast, the previous evening 200 people stood in protest outside the suburban Minneapolis dental practice of 55-year-old Walter Palmer, calling for him to be extradited to Zimbabwe to face charges of taking part in an illegal hunt
Local police are also investigating death threats against Palmer, whose location is not known. Because many of the threats were online, police are having difficulty determining their origins and credibility.
Palmer, a lifelong big game hunter, has admitted killing Cecil with a bow and arrow on July 1 near Zimbabwe’s Hwange national park, but said he had hired professional local guides with the required hunting permits and believed the hunt was legal.
For most people in the southern African nation, where unemployment tops 80 percent and the economy continues to feel the aftereffects of 1 billion percent hyperinflation a decade ago, the uproar had all the hallmarks of a “First World problem.”
“Are you saying that all this noise is about a dead lion? Lions are killed all the time in this country,” said Tryphina Kaseke, a used-clothes hawker on the streets of Harare. “What is so special about this one?”

As with many countries in Africa, in Zimbabwe big wild animals such as lions, elephants or hippos are seen either as a potential meal, or a threat to people and property that needs to be controlled or killed.
The world of Palmer, who paid $50,000 to kill 13-year-old Cecil, is a very different one from that inhabited by millions of rural Africans who are more than occasionally victims of wild animal attacks.
According to CrocBITE, a database, from January 2008 to October 2013, there were more than 460 recorded attacks by Nile crocodiles, most of them fatal. That tally is almost certainly a massive underrepresentation.
“Why are the Americans more concerned than us?” said Joseph Mabuwa, a 33-year-old father of two cleaning his car in the center of the capital. “We never hear them speak out when villagers are killed by lions and elephants in Hwange.”