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    Want to diagnose the Buick??

    I appreciate many people’s opinions on this forum, a great wealth of practical knowledge. Just wondering if anyone wants to weigh in and help me diagnose my Buick to I can figure out where to take it?

    I have a 2003 Buick Regal (I believe it’s a GS) that has 3.8L engine and an auto transmission with gears 1-3 and an Overdrive for highway speeds. I bought it with 78K miles on it and now it just turned 145K. It’s been a pretty good car but now has had more share of problems as its gets older. I’ve driven mostly mid-to-higher mileage cars and have never had to replace a tranny or had much work done with them. I know I should have changed my tranny fluid and filter probably in the first year or so that I owned the car but didn’t. This fall it felt like it was shifting a bit harder and the fluid certainly wasn’t crisp looking so I took the car into the shop in early Nov. for changing the fluid and filter. This place is one of the bigger tranny shops in my metro. I told them to be “gentle” with it, probably didn’t need a flush as I had heard old pieces can break off with such pressure. They got it done and didn’t say they had seen or found anything else and I was on my way a few hours later. I think the desk guy was a fan of the 3800 engine/Regal and said, “I had countered the weakest point- the tranny”.



    About a month later (I think--early in Dec.), I started having issues gaining highway speed in the same normal time that the car had done before. I had to push the rpms higher to build speed, especially climbing a hill or coming off of a dead stop. I never went over 4000 to reach 50-60 miles an hour but often it was 2500 to 3500 and took a while, bad news trying to get onto a fast highway. Usually when it reached 60 mph, it would shift down to the typical 1500 rpm and cruise along (the roads to my rural work place are all about 60 mph roads). Sometimes it would almost “cough” if I pushed it hard going up a hill (seems funny to call it a cough with a fuel-injected engine). Never did it just rev super high into very high rpms like if you hit the gas hard while it was in neutral.

    It sort was acting like it did last year when I changed the fuel filter so did that and there was no improvement. I next thought maybe it was the air filter and changed that and it did seem to improve a small bit, the air filter did look sort of dirty (I drive a lot of gravel roads). But the problem persists. And it’s sort of inconsistent. Last week, I went out to my bro’s country place on a secondary highway and from the last light in town until an intersection that has a gas station stop on it (8 miles), it never made it to 60mph and was running at 2500+ rpms at 55. After the 4-way stop, the next four miles, it got up to 60 after some time and eased back to 1500 rpms. Coming back into my bedroom town Christmas eve afternoon, I had to climb a pretty good hill after a stop and a turn and it struggled to get to 30 mph, I had to run it on the side of the road so traffic could get around me until I finally got it to 50 the rest of the way. Doing that hill in the opposite direction this morning I climbed over doing 50 but then couldn’t get it to 60 on the flats but had it going 60 on flats stretches of another road coming home. I’ve had it on the freeway twice since this problem surfaced and we did ok but I couldn’t reach 70 really and was doing over 3000 rpms.

    Now I’m wondering if maybe my cat is clogged or is clogging up but I don’t smell any sulfur order in the car. Once guy at work thinks maybe a vacuum hose on the tranny got pinched or my brother thought maybe an o-ring got knocked out of place when they changed the fluid. So what do you all think, the tranny having issues, my cat getting plugged, or something else?? I probably should get the car into one shop or another after this snow storm breaks and it really gets cold sometime in January. Thanks in advance!!


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    I own a 1995 LeSabre with the same engine (And maybe the same trans, but I don't know that).

    The 3800 will take a lot of abuse. My Buick has been neglected all it's life, and the engine runs like new. I wouldn't be too concerned there. We had a 2000 Impala that needed plugs and wires. It stuttered and misfired, but we didn't have any real problems with speed.

    My gut says that there is something wrong with the transmission. I think it's probably slipping. Since you're in the Dakotas, you probably drive on the highway a lot, so it takes longer for problems to progress.

    What happens if you try to accelerate pretty quickly, while manually shifting gears? Does it respond well?
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    If it were me .... i would put it in the shop and have the mechanic download the trouble codes from the computer that operates the engine & transmission.

    If it doesn't tell you exactly what the problem is it .... will give you some idea of where to look.

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    I think your 93 Regal transmission is electronically shifted using solenoids inside the transmission,, if this problem your having occurred suddenly I would suspect one of the solenoids is acting up.

    The solenoid has a copper wound coil with a metal plunger, similar to what you would find on a washing machine water solenoid but only smaller if the insulation on the copper is breaking down this would cause a short also if some grit found its way between the metal plunger and the casing its housed in this would cause intermittent operation of the plunger.

    I have not rebuilt an automatic transmission in over 25 years to which most were mechanically sifting with the exception of the Edsel and some Chrysler's with the push button shifter. When I last spoke with Norm the guy I apprenticed under and now owns his own trans shop told me they change the solenoids on every rebuild never taking a chance reusing the old.

    Our shop never practiced this bit of deceit only because Norm wouldn’t play the game, some shops will save broken bits from a trashed transmission then show this pile of garbage to a customer claiming his/her transmission needs a complete overhaul immediately in order to avoid an imminent break down.

    If your capable of pulling a transmission you can easily rebuild it, plenty of youtube instruction available for the most popular models. When you purchase your rebuilt kit get the MASTER, and always install a shift kit.

    Transmissions are made to shift with a soft shift, I call it the granny shift, this soft shift creates unwanted heat leading to premature transmission failure the shift kit firms up the shift allowing the clutch packs to engage quicker with less friction. On the turbo 400 one performance trick was to drill a few holes in the clutch drum now instead of the oil being forced out and over the edge of the drum centrifugal force would assist the oil to escape from inside the drum.

    Oil coolers and shift kits are the best prevention.
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    I have zero knowledge of transmissions. Would the tranny cooler and shift kit be available for a Toy Taco?

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    What year Tacoma, and do you have an automatic or manual transmission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    I have zero knowledge of transmissions. Would the tranny cooler and shift kit be available for a Toy Taco?
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    2001 Tacoma. 4 cylinder (2.4 I think), automatic. I swapped an alternator the other day, but I know better than to open up an engine... I might as well just drive the dam thing onto the scale and save myself the greasy hands. The outcome would be the same for the truck (truth be told, it would have more hope going to the scale).

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    Transmission coolers exist for that truck: https://www.etrailer.com/tran-2001_Toyota_Tacoma.htm

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    have you played around with what little manual shifting you have while driving?
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    I did that today and that didn't seem to make a difference.

    We decided last night to take it to a long established exhaust shop. It was a plugged cat. Forgot the Regal had some balls when I hit the gas

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    One thing that over the years of being unable to purchase good used cars has taught me. Check to see if any of the vacuum lines are cracked or have come loose.

    In the past I have experienced engine and/or transmission issues that were easily and cheaply repaired with replacement of vacuum lines. Good luck. Mike
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    That's what a buddy said. If it acts up again and we know its not the cat, then the tranny vacuum lines are the first suspects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakotaRog View Post
    I did that today and that didn't seem to make a difference.

    We decided last night to take it to a long established exhaust shop. It was a plugged cat. Forgot the Regal had some balls when I hit the gas
    Marked gasoline will do that to a cat.

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    At least it's fixed now. Too bad you can't recycle the old cat....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alloy2 View Post
    Marked gasoline will do that to a cat.
    "Marked gasoline"= unleaded??? Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by DakotaRog View Post
    That's what a buddy said. If it acts up again and we know its not the cat, then the tranny vacuum lines are the first suspects.
    Ummm .... you might want to download the trouble codes.Something caused the cat to plug. Could be an O2 sensor or the thermactor system.Could be somewhere in the mass air flow sensor. Could be any number of things.

    You'll never know unless you allow the computer that operates your motor & transmission to tell you .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrappah View Post
    Ummm .... you might want to download the trouble codes.Something caused the cat to plug. Could be an O2 sensor or the thermactor system.Could be somewhere in the mass air flow sensor. Could be any number of things.

    You'll never know unless you allow the computer that operates your motor & transmission to tell you .....
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    I don't know Canadian law, but in Wyoming (All 50 states, really) that's illegal for on-road vehicles.

    I do agree on having a scan tool, though. They really come in handy. If you don't have one, O'Reillys or AutoZone will scan your light for free.

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