Markets and Politics

It's difficult to understand what exactly you are saying. What indictments are you talking about? And who is it that is manipulating the markets. While I agree that precious metals are manipulated, it's been difficult for those who's job it is to identify those people to actually do so. A few people and corporations have been found responsible for market manipulation but it's a drop in the bucket.

So you are hoping that the markets plummet and then return to their real value?

If Gold on the precious metals exchange is sold for it's real value, that means that the price of electronics, computers included, will skyrocket. Which would mean fewer people will be purchasing everything from cell phones to computers, which means people will loose their jobs, the economy will suffer, taxes will suffer, etc etc etc.

Is that what you are hoping happens then?

Scott

Originally Posted by alloy2

An end to corruption.

Temporarily at best bud
Good and evil, can't change that.
The way it always has, and will, be

An end to corruption????.....corruption has been around since the beginning of modern and ancient times....would love to hear your plan as well as see you implement said plan instead of spewing useless rhetoric

Originally Posted by alloy2

Every human on this earth at some point has evil thoughts but not all will act upon them, the need to steal your neighboring villages winter stores and their woman to shore up your tribes strengths are long gone - it's called being civilized.

Don't know how you raised your children but my wife and I gave ours values to live by, non of my children have my vices nor have they spent time behind bars.

If humans were truly civilized, we wouldn't need laws, military, law enforcement, none of that. We are not civilized, far from it. Corruption exists, it's just like a weed you root it out and it comes back again and again. At no time in all of human history has any government existed that didn't also suffer corruption. There are only degrees of corruption but rooting it out all together is not something that is realistic.

And I'm sorry, you are suppose to raise your children right, you are suppose to teach them good values to live by, they are not suppose to have bad vices and they are specially not suppose to spend time behind bars, you don't get any points for that. All those things are simply what you are SUPPOSE to be doing as a human being.

I don't think you understand at all our modern world, you refer to villages stealing stores from neighboring villages, what in the world do you think globalization is? Allow me to put this into perspective for you, so that you can understand how you are not only absolutely wrong, but just how wrong you are.

If we take all the people of the world and compare that to how many acres of land is available to support those people, that are renewable, meaning that it is sustainable, you come up with a figure of about 4.5 acres available per person.

Currently, on average, globally, humans use 5.8 acres each, so our "civilization" is not sustainable. But it gets far worse if you look at the numbers per country.

Currently, in the United States, the average usage of acres per person is 24 acres. Meaning that Americans on average consume/use 24 acres of land per person per year.

Global Living Project - Ecological Footprint

To further put that into perspective allow me to explain what that means exactly.

In order for us to live the life we are accustomed to, it means that other people all over the world must do without. Every time you flip on a light switch, you throw away food, you consume something and throw the refuse in the trash, you buy clothes and good made elsewhere in the world someone, somewhere is going hungry or without shelter or suffering in some other way. The United States consumes more of the WORLD's resources than any other country in the world, per capita. Far worse than robbing the neighboring village of their resources. And this all done via banking instruments, trade agreements, the world banking system that demands resources for loans of 3rd world countries and then abuses those contracts to abscond their natural resources for the benefit of other people. I'm sorry, but you seem to have absolutely no concept at all about what is really going on.

There are things you can do as an individual to help this problem, like generating your own power, raising and growing or hunting for your own food. Only buying things made and produced locally. Etc, etc etc. I'm not saying you need to change your style of living, I'm not saying you should feel guilty or bad for the way you live your life. I am only saying that these are the facts, and that in order for you to live the life you live right now, someone, somewhere is suffering and doing without. Facts.

While you are going on and on and on about these political posts, which really only amount to drive by political posting, you are totally ignoring the larger problem. In your own life you can cause change. You can help those in your community, you can help to raise others to the same economic security you enjoy, you can create a business and employ people, encourage more small business owners, stop buying manufactured goods from other countries, etc, etc, etc. Not long ago I read a story about people in Chile going hungry, not for not having land to grow food on but specifically because there is such a demand for blueberries in the United States that the farmers in that area switched to growing only blueberries. When blueberries were being purchased from elsewhere, that specific region experienced an economic crash that created a situation where they couldn't buy food from other regions, or other goods, or services. That is the downside to globalization. If you grew your own blueberries, or supported and purchased blueberries from someone who lives closer you would actually benefit your community, and those in Chile that experienced difficulties when globalization was responsible for their situation.

You can actually do something good in the world if you really, honestly cared. You can research and decide for yourself that you want to live your own life in the best way possible. Regardless of what is happening politically in this country you as an individual can bring about a positive change and teach others. That is the only way we are going to make the United States and the world a better, more civilized community, locally and globally.

Scott

Originally Posted by alloy2

Every human on this earth at some point has evil thoughts but not all will act upon them, the need to steal your neighboring villages winter stores and their woman to shore up your tribes strengths are long gone - it's called being civilized.

Don't know how you raised your children but my wife and I gave ours values to live by, non of my children have my vices nor have they spent time behind bars.

i don't see your plan........useless

Originally Posted by alloy2

This will be a good start when they jail this evil *****.

Why are you always taking potshots at liberals in the US, but nary a peep about liberals in Canada?

Pssst Noble
We're all ignoring that 600lb gorilla... And a **** ugly one at that. Lol
That is a problem more of ethics but I'm sure it will become political just like everything else.

Originally Posted by billygoat

Why are you always taking potshots at liberals in the US, but nary a peep about liberals in Canada?

Why is anyone taking pop shots at anyone. It's not about if you are liberal, conservative, republican, workers party, socialist, democrat, moderate or whatever. It doesn't matter how people identify, nor is it a contest of who wins and who looses. It's good and healthy for people with totally different opinions, thoughts and views to have discourse, to evolve, to be open minded enough, considerate enough, tolerant enough that we come to a higher understanding. To cooperate, to become better, more, to elevate everyone. I'm not sure where this concept of beating the other guy to silence ever became popular but it's bigoted and biased and does nobody any good. All it does is sow hatred and divide.

I don't think the OP is going to listen to reason, he's figuratively speaking, seemingly, like Hitler or Brezhnev in where he is standing before his pulpit, pounding his fist while he claims the other side is going to fail, fall to his parties or beliefs greatness. I can imagine when he reads all this garbage, the conspiracy theories, the news, him standing on his office chair vigorously pointing at the computer screen, screaming about whatever while spittle flies from his mouth and paints the screen. That picture of him frothing at the mouth, angry, vengeful, hateful is what I see in my mind when I read his posts.

I am starting to think he's better left ignored than answered. His posts make no sense, he's unwilling to engage in intellectual discourse and his posts really just amount to drive by political posting with no real intent I can fathom. I think perhaps, like a child misbehaving, we should just simply ignore what he posts and get on with the tasks at hand, that of improving our own lives and in part using this forum as a catalyst to that end.

Scott

It's getting cold outside. Is this what we can expect for the next 5 months here on SMF? If so, I'm out.

If things are getting to political for anyone here you can always use the Report button or the Ignore List.

Personally, I think he's just trolling and it seems to be working.