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    I am probably going to buy a full size truck and camper. Reasonable price is a must, so I am loking at higher mileage/older trucks. I grew up in an era where American cars were a bit sketchy, and the distrust continues to this day. That said, I have had my confidence boosted on Ford F-150 (do they make an F-150 3/4 or 1 ton?) and Chevy/GMC by the sheer numbers of them out there. Dodge, not so much. I have seen too many K cars and Caravans that smoke like street side BBQ shacks, but there are a ton of them out there (and they are usually cheaper than Ford or Chevy).

    So, what are your thoughts on truck makers? What are your experiences? Any definite "buys" or definite "do not buys"? I am not interested in a dually or diesel.


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    For the most dependable combinations of performance and mileage my first recs are always the Toyota Tacoma and Dodge Ram. They've been at or near the top of most ratings every year going back 25 years it seems. Drive a Ram myself.

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    If your sticking to a gasser IMHO it doesnt really matter. a 3/4 ton ford is a f250 and a 1 ton is a f350. Personaly I would look for a F250 with a V8. Stay away from the V10 unless you want spark plugs popping out of the holes on ya.

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    If you don't do your work repairs, talk with your mechanic, what would he rather see in the shop.

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    I would say "Ram" but I will give you one "Don't" -Google "Tacoma broken frame".

    I know Tacoma isn't full size, but it's big brother Tundra/T100 has the same brand name. Before I heard about this recall - I really liked Taco's and Tundras but... no thanks. I'll stick with Ram/Dodge.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SKWrapper View Post
    I would say "Ram" but I will give you one "Don't" -Google "Tacoma broken frame".

    I know Tacoma isn't full size, but it's big brother Tundra/T100 has the same brand name. Before I heard about this recall - I really liked Taco's and Tundras but... no thanks. I'll stick with Ram/Dodge.


    I looked at the pictures that phrase pulled and they were all extended cab and crew cab. I have had my '01 since I bought it new in '01. 270k on it and runs like a sewing machine..... and I got free tires for life. About to get my eighth set of sneakers for her. Baby needs a new set of shoes! If every car failed after 17 years and 270K miles, we probably couldn't ask for more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    I looked at the pictures that phrase pulled and they were all extended cab and crew cab. I have had my '01 since I bought it new in '01. 270k on it and runs like a sewing machine..... and I got free tires for life. About to get my eighth set of sneakers for her. Baby needs a new set of shoes! If every car failed after 17 years and 270K miles, we probably couldn't ask for more.
    Got my 2010 Tacoma brand new. This thing can take anything i throw at it. Never has failed me or let me down. Its been a scrap truck pretty much its whole time ive had it.

    I believe that the broken frame problem was a issue with there 90's models

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    I looked at the pictures that phrase pulled and they were all extended cab and crew cab. I have had my '01 since I bought it new in '01. 270k on it and runs like a sewing machine..... and I got free tires for life. About to get my eighth set of sneakers for her. Baby needs a new set of shoes! If every car failed after 17 years and 270K miles, we probably couldn't ask for more.
    I want to know the brand of sneakers your putting on the old girl so that I may avoid purchasing them, with 270K on the meter and your on your eight set of free tires your averaging 38 thousand a pair.

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    ^^^^^ Well, it's probably not Sketchers. LOL

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    Worse tires I ever owned.

    Ever hear of the Firestone 500 tire recall? In 1978, Firestone announced the recall of 14.5 million steel belted radials produced by the company, the largest tire recall to date.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scrapman1077 View Post
    If you don't do your work repairs, talk with your mechanic, what would he rather see in the shop.
    I agree. IMHO gm’s are easier to fix and “less complicated” than others. If you don’t do your own repairs, definitely refer to your mechanic. Parts prices also vary, another question to ask, so what’s cheaper to fix? Quirks also. Why do some brand trannies all Need repair at xxxxxx miles? Heavier duty trucks also require more fuel to operate, another consideration.

    Whichever way you go, it wont be a rot box like up here. I’m envious.

    In 2-3 years, I’ll be looking forward to buying a similar rig as you, southern of course. Road trip. Truck and camper, yea! Some of my scrap money is being saved for just this purpose now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proton View Post
    I want to know the brand of sneakers your putting on the old girl so that I may avoid purchasing them, with 270K on the meter and your on your eight set of free tires your averaging 38 thousand a pair.
    The ones on there now are Grand Prix Performance GT, but I don't think that is what they have put on every time. Kumho(?) rings a bell, but I don't know. Theoretically, softer tires give better grip, while harder tires last longer. I really don't care. They are putting them on for free.

    When I was delivering pizza and buying my own tires, I worked out what seemed to be the best strategy for tire maintenance. Auto shops want to rotate the tires front to back every so often. This will wear out all tires roughly equally, and all at once. Cha-ching! you're on the hook for four tires at once. I found that it I didn't rotate the tires, the fronts would wear out well before the back, so... I would run the fronts off, buy two tires and put the new tires on the rear and put the rear tires (which were in nearly new condition) on the front. Burn the fronts off, rinse repeat. You were only on the hook for two tires at a time and you always had decent tires all around the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    The ones on there now are Grand Prix Performance GT, but I don't think that is what they have put on every time. Kumho(?) rings a bell, but I don't know. Theoretically, softer tires give better grip, while harder tires last longer. I really don't care. They are putting them on for free.

    When I was delivering pizza and buying my own tires, I worked out what seemed to be the best strategy for tire maintenance. Auto shops want to rotate the tires front to back every so often. This will wear out all tires roughly equally, and all at once. Cha-ching! you're on the hook for four tires at once. I found that it I didn't rotate the tires, the fronts would wear out well before the back, so... I would run the fronts off, buy two tires and put the new tires on the rear and put the rear tires (which were in nearly new condition) on the front. Burn the fronts off, rinse repeat. You were only on the hook for two tires at a time and you always had decent tires all around the car.
    I do not consider this a derail of the thread since the OP posted this. I have experienced just the opposite. My rear tires always wear harder on a pickup but that may be because of the loads I haul. For safety reasons I always put my newest tires on front for the ability to steer.

    As far as the original question, I own all three major brands and found with proper maintenance all to be reliable. I will only haul with diesels because of the power and mileage therefore will not recommend a gas truck. For the record there are some great trucks for sale in retirement communities. They usually have low mileage and have not been driven hard. IMHO it is worth a plane ticket to fly to Arizona to purchase a truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    I looked at the pictures that phrase pulled and they were all extended cab and crew cab. I have had my '01 since I bought it new in '01. 270k on it and runs like a sewing machine..... and I got free tires for life. About to get my eighth set of sneakers for her. Baby needs a new set of shoes! If every car failed after 17 years and 270K miles, we probably couldn't ask for more.
    I am sure they run great in fact I know they even set records etc... in fact I just read about a newer Tundra (I think 2012?) with over 700K miles on the original engine (but transmission rebuilt at 400K) but that's just hilarious. If something bad is going to happen to a truck you wouldn't expect the frame to snap in half!! LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by greytruck View Post
    I believe that the broken frame problem was a issue with there 90's models
    Looks like those had the same problem too you are right.

    The ones I am talking about are 2005-2010. Toyota had to pay out ALOT for that mistake that they wouldn't admit to. I am not Toyota bashing, if anything I am bashing the entire vehicle industry cause they are all the same when it comes to stuff like that.

    https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/...-truck-frames/

    My Dakota had recalls for suspension parts fixed before I bought it. Ram/Dodge has lots of recalls, Ford has tons of recalls as does Chevrolet/GMC. Nissan same thing. The good thing is that trucks are usually overbuilt and are designed to last much longer than a car.

    Buying a used (or even new) truck is a gamble no matter the brand I don't care what anyone says.

    Best advise I could give is to get a history of the vehicle you want like maybe CarFax and to have a professional look it over before purchase, that way the odds are more in your favor and you know what you are up against if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrapman1077 View Post
    If you don't do your work repairs, talk with your mechanic, what would he rather see in the shop.
    THis could be dangerous. I think a better ? would be what does he see less in there.

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    Do a drive by of the scrap bins behind the dealer, then avoid buying the brand that has the most parts in the bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t00nces2 View Post
    I am probably going to buy a full size truck and camper. Reasonable price is a must, so I am loking at higher mileage/older trucks. I grew up in an era where American cars were a bit sketchy, and the distrust continues to this day. That said, I have had my confidence boosted on Ford F-150 (do they make an F-150 3/4 or 1 ton?) and Chevy/GMC by the sheer numbers of them out there. Dodge, not so much. I have seen too many K cars and Caravans that smoke like street side BBQ shacks, but there are a ton of them out there (and they are usually cheaper than Ford or Chevy).

    So, what are your thoughts on truck makers? What are your experiences? Any definite "buys" or definite "do not buys"? I am not interested in a dually or diesel.
    I've been a ford guy for a long time. It's not so much that i'm brand loyal. It's been more about what's available to buy used. Also ..... maybe it's about the devil you know ??? They all have their faults no matter which brand you buy. It's nice to have some idea of what kind of problems to expect before you buy.

    IMO ... chevy is about on par with with ford. They're both good trucks. Back in the day, chevy was the preferred choice in this area because they were about 1,000.00$ cheaper to buy new.

    GMC is the same company as chevy but those trucks seem to be built a bit better. They're an upgrade in quality. GMC isn't blowing smoke when they say they're "professional grade". There's a bit of truth to that.

    I don't much care for Dodge. I had one ages ago. It was "good enough" but the motor eventually failed under normal use. That's the only vehicle that i've had where the motor gave out. Since then ... i've seen quite a few Dodges for sale by the side of the road with transmission problems. That's a devil i don't want to get to know unless there's no other choice to buy used.

    Don't really have an opinion on the imports like Toyota & Nissan. They're probably okay for the most part. They're consumer grade cars seem to be a fair amount of better then chevy or ford. It might be the same with their trucks.

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    If you step back away from specific brands it will be less confusing. They're all good and they all suck depending on who you talk to.

    Just some general recommendations on buying used:

    1: Take her out for a test drive. See if you like the feel of the motor and transmission.

    2: Twenty years is about the life expectancy of a truck. You're apt to run into hard to fix electrical problems anytime after that.

    3: Keep it simple sam. Avoid all of the fancy extras like power this and power that. It's just one more thing to go wrong with an old truck.

    4: Go with a standard cab and 8' bed. Trucks with things like extra cab and crew cab have a longer wheelbase. That means a longer frame and more things to possibly go wrong. Truck frames suffer metal fatigue that eventually develop into stress cracks.

    5: Take a really close look at any truck that has tubular cross members on the frame. They're a bit*h to fix. I've seen them fail in as little as three years on the road. ( Chevy & Toyota ) The problem is that sand gets into the tube and holds moisture. Cross tubes can rust out pretty quickly unless you're very careful about hosing them out a couple of times a year.

    6: Steer away from trucks that have been altered from factory spec. Things like aftermarket upgrades and fancy exhaust systems. That's a whole nuther set of problems to deal with when you're repairing an older truck.

    7: See if you can find out who owned the truck before it came to you. Young guys seem to be harder on gear than the old timers that are more settled.

    8: The days of the shade tree mechanic are slowly drawing to a close. There are a lot of really good nuts n bolts guys that are completely at a loss when it comes to the sophisticated electronics that are built into just about every truck these days. You might as well figure that you're going to have to hire out a lot of the repair work that needs to be done. There are some repairs than can ONLY be done at the dealership now.

    9: See if you can find something on the 80 - 130,000 mile range. That seems to be the sweet spot. You get some repairs, but nothing too serious like motor and tranny.

    10: Avoid trucks with dual fuel tanks. They seemed like a good idea at the time but ..... ??? A single tank that you can afford to fill up on a regular basis is better for local driving. It keeps the fuel fresh.

    11: You could probably get a " soccer mom van " for a lot less than a truck but the motors and trannies are undersized and overworked.That would be especially so in the Florida heat. You might think of them as consumer grade cars ? Fifteen years or 180,00 miles and it's time to take it out of service ?

    ~ Just my two cents. ~

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    Thank you to everyone who input opinion on this thread. I really didn't hear anything bad about any truck I was thinking of in particular. I think the wife and I really scored. What we got was amazing for the price and I believe it will give years of dependable service....

    2007 Ford F-150 Lariat ext cab w/ towing package 183K miles. Daily driver. Everything works. Really nice shape. Small tear in cloth seat driver side. If you are interested, PM me and I will tell you what I paid.

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