How to Move & Load, Very Large Copier ?

I have 2 very large copiers to pick up and am wondering what am I ever going to do with them. I've never moved one of these, but think they can be extremely heavy. I have a two wheel dolly (hand truck) and a flat cart (4 wheel ) I've moved many heavy things on the flat cart, but have to be able to pick up one end to get the cart under it, and am not even sure I can pick up one end of these? I considered using the two wheeler to pry it up with, and hold the two wheeler down with one foot, or a large rock, until i can get the cart under it, lol, oh my, help!

Do you have an appliance dolly?

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Originally Posted by freonjoe

Do you have an appliance dolly?

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The hand truck is the closest I have to that Joe. I just loaded an angle iron to pry with, in case I need something heavier. I'm also wondering if there's any internal components easy enough to remove to lighten it up a bit?

I used to be a service tech for Ricoh machines. PLEASE empty ALL FLUIDS prior to moving. Some have a kerosene based toner fluid and it will run out of the machine as you tilt it going downstairs. It is slicker than snot and you may lose control. At the very least, Google the brand and model and see if it is liquid or powder based.

Thanks JP, what will I need there to drain them into? Do you think any large parts can be easily enough removed to lighten them up

Some guys used to keep the old stuff to use for car parts cleaning. It is diluted, so there is no fire hazard, but you can't just dump it down the drain (not in NJ at least). Another thing we were warned about is the selenium drum. If you can be VERY careful and pull it out without any scratches, it has some value.
The paper entry and exit handlers usually unbolt (if it has sorters). Remove all panels and see about removing the inards from the front. Usually the toner guts come out as an assembly. Drives, motors and electronics are usually on the back. Usually stepper motors sell on hobby sites, they are pricey.
Hope this helps.

When i sell them i been told NEVER to lay them down on there sides.

Thanks lots JP, I'll certainly look into the stepper motor and celinium drums (whatever those are ; )

Ut o! Dune, that's right where we went with them! lol

And yes, there was one upstairs! lol again, the woman pointing things out was also kind enough to point out 4 screws which separated the top part of that one from the bottom part, making it much more manageable. She also went and got an extra man, making getting it down the stairs much less of a strain. The one downstairs we tilted onto the flat cart and wheeled it out to the trailer, tilted it on it's side ( yep ) and wrestled it around till it was close to the front.

Thankfully these two didn't turn out to be the monsters I knew it was possible for them to have been. The whole load is still in the trailer, sitting out behind the barn :)

Thanks lots yall, for your helpful suggestions

Moving them is not the hard part, getting them up in truck- now thats another thing. Mayby you could get a few homeless guys and buy them a beer or 2.

2 wheel cart and a ramp

I had some help from them. One was ground floor, we used a 4 wheel flat cart to get it to the trailer, then tilted it up onto the bed and scooted it forward. The other one was up some stairways, luckily it had a large base that separated, making to upper, heavier unit at least a bit less bulky and more manageable. I strapped it onto the two wheel hand truck and we eased it down the steps :)
I did have some steel ramps along, but they're only about 3 feet long and made it too steep an incline.
All in all, it was a successful trip, and now i've got all kinds of new junk to play in ; )

I usually do well with those copiers.....The yard I use wants most of the plastic off and the ink removed but they are always good weight and usually have some good boards and even some memory

yeah, i'm looking forward to tearing in to them. One of them the case it mostly metal. I'm going to make a list of the computers and stuff for vintage computer forum, there's some old IBM stuff in it, even a P4, but I haven't tested it yet. It's mostly old, but that's good for vintage too. Anybody that pays better prices for older boards is most likely to get some of these, but they seem to be getting rare, even though the newer boards are no comparison to the older stuff. I think there's just not that much of it coming in any more

BTW Bear, one of the things I have done in the past is to Google the brand and model with the word "Repair" and then contact the places to see if they buy used parts.

I appreciate your information JPete. I was glad to know the potential of a spill, and thanks to you, informed enough to check before moving them. They're both old Toshibas, and I'll do what you recommend here too, as well as looking for those parts you mentioned earlier. I just finished making a list of the computers, some early pentiums up to a P3 1000 and a P4 (all as yet untested), and will be through the monitors soon, then on to the big mommas ; ) I'll list some of the more vintage computer things on Vintage Computer Forum and see if anyone there wants it. There's also a couple printers (one an old IBM), a stack of keyboards ( one may be an old IBM clicky key), and a couple old FAX machines. I actually got this call from a CL ad I'd almost forgotten about, but even though it was a 200 mile round trip that I was at first reluctant to make (worried about even breaking even), I think it'll eventually pay for itself :)
I'd like to list a photo here but it only wants a link and I don't have them uploaded anywhere yet

Both are Toshiba, one 2060 and a 2860

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There's the load, after I'd been digging through the computers for a while. There's an awful lot of plastic in this load though. The copiers, printers, faxes, and monitors mostly plastic

Yeah, the guy I get my copiers from uses his ramp to load them onto my truck and then I *try* and slide them off the truck on wooden ramps but it doesn't always work so well lol, they tend to flip off the truck. I'd say from a 400 lb start copier about 30 lbs at least is plastic. Probably more like 50 or more with the glass included. I have learned to remove any toner, etc though before off loading - its not a pretty sight if I don't!

If I lived near you I'd drive my tractor over and use the boom to life them into your truck for you. :)

If you can get a winch, use that to pull the loaded dolly up the ramps because its hard enough for two ppl to load one of those let alone just yourself!

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Originally Posted by newattitude

Yeah, the guy I get my copiers from uses his ramp to load them onto my truck and then I *try* and slide them off the truck on wooden ramps but it doesn't always work so well lol, they tend to flip off the truck. I'd say from a 400 lb start copier about 30 lbs at least is plastic. Probably more like 50 or more with the glass included. I have learned to remove any toner, etc though before off loading - its not a pretty sight if I don't!

If I lived near you I'd drive my tractor over and use the boom to life them into your truck for you. :)

If you can get a winch, use that to pull the loaded dolly up the ramps because its hard enough for two ppl to load one of those let alone just yourself!

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Yeah! come on over, I'd love to watch you at work :D a 50 split is fine :)

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I have learned to remove any toner, etc though before off loading - its not a pretty sight if I don't!

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Smurfette, LOL