The real deal

What is the real deal - Gold - Silver - Copper - as a legitimate recognized non toxic form . Bullion is real .
Currently all forms of ownership of Gold - Silver - Copper - as what scrappers find and have / hoard - may not have long lived value if and when laws change , I feel the values can drop dramatically , based on true recycle practice methods. The current methods are creating a artificial market . When the methods are stamped out , the true value will bloom as a disappointing flower for us all.

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Must be some good beer. ?

Makes sense to me..if the dollar has no value n something drastic happens such as the 2012 prediction..then yeh only gold bars would have value, not computer chips n boards...i think thats what copperhead may mean

Copper Head, what ever you said..... It's beautiful. I think?

Very inteResting especially the part about the fake market

Ahh I see.

Hey freon..did u just do that to create ur 1000 post n then go to bed..lol

Who is on first!

Ok how about this , Boards Mem Cpu's & other items , we know there is gold -silver - copper in it - Heck a gold Pentium Pro chip is worth $30 to $40 on EBAY Thats great we all think . So we confidently save all these items. as if they were Bullion .
NEXT - this is only speculation and not happening YET - but what happens if public out cry - nation to nation out cry - create laws stating no more un regulated E waste recycling that even China and others go along with. and or make it illegal to sell metals from these sources unless documents stating that these E waste precious metals have been recycled in accordance with safe methods .
Now who's holding the hot potato.( you and me ) Boards Mem Cpu's & other items value drops, due to the true cost of recycling GREEN . The artificial market is based on lax laws , cause in reality for now any thing goes.
Gold - Silver - Copper in the form considered legitimate - will always have value - but what will your box of gold finger MEM chips you have been saving end up being worth ? - if the cost of getting the gold out triples or even Quadruples .
Now the big question are strict world wide E waste laws ever going to happen ?

Copper head, this is already happening. My local yard used to pay 1.20/lb on Li-Ion batteries. Then it dropped to .50/lb. The owner said that they can only sell them to an R2 facility now, and they are not paying much due to the higher cost to properly recycle them.

As long as there are people trying to home refine this stuff - there will always be a market. It may move underground and become a black market if what you say is true - but a market will always exist.

The original post didn't make much sense in English either.

This thread is what makes this forum all that more valuable as a tool to keep eveyone informed of laws and reulations. Thank you Copperhead for a thought provoking thread. On a side note, it would be a shame to have your gold in bullion and have it confiscated by our government at the end!

Hey Copper Head, I think in some ways it is being regulated but through different means, and that is why we are seeing prices high for the scrap we sell.

As it stands, to buy or sell gold coins, you have to fill out forms and be tracked, like you do when you spend over $10K in cash. There has to be a paper trail. That was not the case years ago when gold was "cheap" and you could buy Canadian gold pieces and similar without paper work. Now with the laws in place to make sure uncle sam knows who owns gold, people are looking to E-scrap as a work around and that is why we see the pricing we do.

You are correct in that one day it will get real tight and regulated, but I think that will come from Uncle Sam and not the public. Don't forget 1933.

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Originally Posted by Copper Head

Ok how about this , Boards Mem Cpu's & other items , we know there is gold -silver - copper in it - Heck a gold Pentium Pro chip is worth $30 to $40 on EBAY Thats great we all think . So we confidently save all these items. as if they were Bullion .
NEXT - this is only speculation and not happening YET - but what happens if public out cry - nation to nation out cry - create laws stating no more un regulated E waste recycling that even China and others go along with. and or make it illegal to sell metals from these sources unless documents stating that these E waste precious metals have been recycled in accordance with safe methods .
Now who's holding the hot potato.( you and me ) Boards Mem Cpu's & other items value drops, due to the true cost of recycling GREEN . The artificial market is based on lax laws , cause in reality for now any thing goes.
Gold - Silver - Copper in the form considered legitimate - will always have value - but what will your box of gold finger MEM chips you have been saving end up being worth ? - if the cost of getting the gold out triples or even Quadruples .
Now the big question are strict world wide E waste laws ever going to happen ?

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Thank you for breaking that down for me. I tried three times to read the original and got no where. Also thanks for breaking it down because it would have been a shame if you didnt get that point across. Good stuff Copperhead. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

So sadly - saving each and every - CPU - Board - MEM - for the future along with many other types of items that could become regulated & unsellable or reduced in selling price by 50 % to 75 % - - might be best to sell now !! as later might never come for all non environmental friendly scrap. I see no reason to tell of the types of non environmental friendly scrap. BUT the clock is ticking

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Originally Posted by scraptologist

On a side note, it would be a shame to have your gold in bullion and have it confiscated by our government at the end!

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And this is why you also should not let them make more gun control laws like they want too. If they come to take it away from my place they will take me away as well.

very heads up CH: it will happen, no dout, it is just a matter of when.. food is the next item on the agenda, in my opinion, but dont want to get political so thats all I will say about that.

here is another thought for those hoarding gold and silver. those buying kugerands and other ounce coins or higher denominations need to think about this

lets say you need a loaf of bread or some coffee, and the dollar has gone worthless. how are you going to take that $3000+ one oz of gold and buy that loaf of bread, and expect to get change.

what little bullion I am able to buy I buy "junk" pre 65 dimes and quarters, they are 90% silver and more important they are recognised by most every one. and less of a problem then trying to get change for a rand. just my .02

I agree with olddude on this one. Most of my bullion is actually junk silver - dimes, quarters, halves, even a few war nickels. Just remember that brass and lead protects silver and gold every time.

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Originally Posted by olddude

very heads up CH: it will happen, no dout, it is just a matter of when.. food is the next item on the agenda, in my opinion, but dont want to get political so thats all I will say about that.

here is another thought for those hoarding gold and silver. those buying kugerands and other ounce coins or higher denominations need to think about this

lets say you need a loaf of bread or some coffee, and the dollar has gone worthless. how are you going to take that $3000+ one oz of gold and buy that loaf of bread, and expect to get change.

what little bullion I am able to buy I buy "junk" pre 65 dimes and quarters, they are 90% silver and more important they are recognised by most every one. and less of a problem then trying to get change for a rand. just my .02

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Water is actually the next big global problem. I read a while back that Exxon is already looking into it.

Fear is the biggest driver of the gold bubble,

People who actually believe they can horde enough gold guns and food are just being silly. Remember the ALAMO?

Scientists are now saying that the sky may fall by the end of the month. Be prepared.

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Originally Posted by Copper Head

So sadly - saving each and every - CPU - Board - MEM - for the future along with many other types of items that could become regulated & unsellable or reduced in selling price by 50 % to 75 % - - might be best to sell now !! as later might never come for all non environmental friendly scrap. I see no reason to tell of the types of non environmental friendly scrap. BUT the clock is ticking

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I totally agree...I sell it as fast as I can get it.........Not sure if it's a good idea but I am trying to hoard $100 dollar bills........Not sure if its a sure bet but they still seem to have value around here

In the US EPA laws are going backwards (less restrictive, much less money to police, and few getting prosecuted outside of small companies) so I don't see any laws making it more expensive to recycle materials. It is much cheaper to recycle computer chips and boards for gold and copper then it is to dig it out of the ground (cleaner as well).

If the %^&* did hit the fan, the only thing worth anything will be guns, food, and fuel. What exactly do you think those gold and silver coins will be worth under those conditions, how exactly will you do exchanges and keep yourself from getting robbed?

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Originally Posted by mikeinreco

I totally agree...I sell it as fast as I can get it.........Not sure if it's a good idea but I am trying to hoard $100 dollar bills........Not sure if its a sure bet but they still seem to have value around here

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Most money is just a digital note inside of a computer, the cash that floats around is a small minute amount of the cash wealth in the world. As long as the governments control the people paper money will be the only thing used for transactions, most of which are done digitally anyway using a debit or credit card. The people who control the markets don't like inflation (it makes their holdings worth less), so while prices of food and fuel have gone up over the years, they don't go up fast enough to freak people out.

From everything that I have read Unknownk is right. Lead, brass, food and water are the commodities of the future.

They say humans with no water start to perish at 3 days & stronger people can go 7 days this time frame is based on nice weather with a person relaxing .

Its not just water, but the quality of water that is important, you have no idea how many people in the world die from water they drink that has bacteria and parasites in it. Some rich countries like Saudi Arabia get most of their water from huge Reverse Osmosis water plants (turns salty sea water into pure water for drinking and irrigation), without it that country would fall apart in a few weeks. Asia is the big place for water wars. India, Vietnam, China and the other countries in that area that get their water from Mountain runoff are going to have major issue now that rivers are going dry and China is damming them all up. Billions of people in that area are going to be in big trouble, heck we have water issues in over half the country here and it will get worse.

After watching the show doomsday preppers,etc I have realized how important it is to hoard water,food, etc. after watching a few episodes and the various preppers I have come tithe realization Massachusetts, new Hampshire, Vermont, Maine are all in pretty good shape in terms of water. I'd say where I live in Boston we have the best water in the country. My opinion

I live by the great lakes, and we use a huge reservoir here locally (good until fracking screws it up, natural gas rush going on here).

I live in the southern tier up state NY , In PA there starting to frack for natural gas No complaints of water shortages so far
But USA citizens really need not be so caviler about water, considering over all humans can't even go 3 days with out it .