New Guy: Lasted Two Days

I had an electrician in the shop recently and he heard I was looking for helpers.
He said his son painted in the summer but was out of work due to the weather.
I spoke with his son, and then hired him on at $9.00 to start. (30 Hours per week)
He wasn't very personable, but he did his work.
Today, he called me and said that since he got "money from the government anyway", I had to either pay him $14.00 per hour or pay him under the table.
I said that raises were certainly part of the plan, but not after 2 days!
Then, I nicely told him not to let the door hit him on the way out.

I think I am going to work on creating some zombies to work in the shop.

I would tell his father what he said to you. Maybe his father will have a talk with him before he puts his name on the line to get a job for a brat like that.

oh wow I hear that fyi I pay under the table for people until I get them up to speed full time but can never keep anyone and I pay $20hr and still my longest was just about 5 months right before it started getting cold here last month

I have found a way that works for me with hiring new employes, 1st, they never miss a day, 2nd they don't complain, third no employe theft, 4th i get a tax credit of $2500.00 for each employee. i also start them at minimum wage and they are happy and great full for the opportunity, the answer Ditmass charities, they are the people that run the federal prison halfway house in my area, there are all kinds of these Charities all across the country that house people being released from prison,i have a few guys working for me that have stayed on for a few years after they got done with there probation, and i don't keep the new guys at minimum wage long, every one deserves a second chance.

I just contacted the local veterans organization, hoping a vet might need some work. Thanks for the halfway house idea. I am sure there are some folks that want to work. ...Somewhere. I would be pleased to give raises, although the last two people I gave $1.00 an hour raises... Started forgetting where they worked!!

I've hired work release inmates for big jobs, I have to say...no problems at all.

And to travistemple, man...what are you doing that you will pay 20/hr. I pay MYSELF about 20/hr at present...

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Originally Posted by travistemple202020

oh wow I hear that fyi I pay under the table for people until I get them up to speed full time but can never keep anyone and I pay $20hr and still my longest was just about 5 months right before it started getting cold here last month

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$20/hr? For a 40hr week? Where are you? Wouldn't have to worry about me missing any work.

Wow!

Spin if you could afford my bar tab...

I'd be on the way to pull you out of snowbanks. ;)

Sirscrapalot - Zoinkee's! - Velma, Scooby Doo.

Oh, for a Scooby Snack!

Not sure if I pull that in but I usually work 60-80 hour weeks

im here in iowa and I pay that of course for good workers but I have very little overhead costs here and will be slightly higher here soon when I expand which has been a long time coming. I run a very efficient operation and make the money that's there and places that's not like auctions online. I run 24/7 except a few holidays and my employees make that possible which now my friends and family do when like now its tight finding people and I pass that on to the people working hard for me. there are at times when I have people tearing down laptops for example I may only be make $7-8hr minus after overhead so under the mwage but that's the point I am still making money when I am sleeping or going to a movie and such so greed is not a big factor for me

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Originally Posted by travistemple202020

im here in iowa and I pay that of course for good workers but I have very little overhead costs here and will be slightly higher here soon when I expand which has been a long time coming. I run a very efficient operation and make the money that's there and places that's not like auctions online. I run 24/7 except a few holidays and my employees make that possible which now my friends and family do when like now its tight finding people and I pass that on to the people working hard for me. there are at times when I have people tearing down laptops for example I may only be make $7-8hr minus after overhead so under the mwage but that's the point I am still making money when I am sleeping or going to a movie and such so greed is not a big factor for me

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I say whatever works for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......Are you hiring and can you guarantee 60 hours a week with overtime and insurance for my family?

Heck with all that, if you put me up monday through thursday ill work for you right now ;)

maybe its just this area sure we have a lot of crap jobs because its a college town but most our real jobs here pay at least $17hr to start but most make $22-27hr for trained workers and special skills jobs get at least $35hr and most do on the job training as well. I even work a crap job still at mcdonalds part time cause its fun and free food and its a break from scrapping that I can still make money from to put towards expanding because I hate renting since its cheaper here to own than rent.
i make after everything about $52hr and really that's low and i do at least 60hrs a week. i am not complaining i work hard and bleed for that money but i complain because its just the lowest tip of that ice burg there is so much waste out there i dream of getting as with this business i have learned how much a.k.a. trash is worth. the big boys have all gotten in early and i have in the middle and trying to at least put a foot hold down so i do not have to continue to just squeak around. any who i rant but i hope everyone has a good xmas

I'm not good in math but you are saying you make over 12,000 a month.............How do I get on that gravy train......Congratulations SIR and Happy Holidays!!!!

$12,480 a month and you work at McDonalds. That seems legit.

He said it was for the free food.

When I worked for Borders Books & Music, all of my evening booksellers worked there for the benefits. Pay sucked, but they liked the benefits(Discounts on books of course, plus you could use the store inventory as your own personal library if it wasn't a new release.) These folks all had Master Degrees, an Doctorates. Yet they worked for 7.50 an hour 3 days a week, on top of their regular jobs, didn't do it for the money but because they loved working in a book store, an the benefits that came with it.

Do I equate McDonalds to a bookstore far as fun? No. But guess what it's not up to me to decide for others. Seems Travis enjoys his part time job, an still continues to scrap. Why ya'll are focusing on the part time gig when he explained quite well how he makes the money he does.

Not defending anyone here, but...if someone enjoys working a part time gig while doing a full time...who am I or any of you to judge? ;)

Sirscrapalot - We all live in a glass house, beware rebounding stones.

Personally I'm impressed!!!............I can hardly keep up with what I do and just feel like taking a nap instead of going to work...........I would have to say if I made 12,000 a month I would not be eating at Mcdonalds

One of my businesses (self employment has many facets for me) is vehicle recovery. I am insured and equipped to get people out of ditches, do jump starts, etc... pretty much how that goes. I have snow chains, "ice chains" called kold kutters and a receiver mount 12k winch. Winter is and always has been slow for me even in E Waste, it's very hard for my refurbishing efforts to "beat" the holiday pricing on artificially trumped up machines...look close at the specs and often you pay double you would otherwise for the same machine...yea it might be an i7 or an i5 but then wait a minute its a dual core i7 not a quad...hmmm.


Anyways, expect that from today's generation. They do not know hardships, they are 90s kids, things were good, buy buy buy, house, cabin, two cars a truck, a boat a four wheeler and ALL on credit, why not? They grew up surrounded by stuff with no actual idea of the debt it carries. And that's the issue kids my age never learned what debt was and how it carried. Just the same as my parents never learning that and their parents not needing to know because they pro generated the scheme of mortgages, credit cards and store cards... Three full generations later I carry the debt of my previous generations, thanks for that. I always wanted to work 75 hours a week so I could pay my rent(s), buy groceries and hope I can pay my gas card down....I have no credit cards, no car loans no toys with loans on them, I do not own a house I do not go crazy on black friday...I struggle, we all struggle or we wouldn't be trying to collaborate and make this business of scrapping and recycling work now would we?

Take it in stride, there are like minded people out there, chances are you have to find them, they will not come to you because most of us do not trust the employer anymore, true story, the best employees have to be found, they do not come to you.

I would. I like big macs. ;)

An yea..I wish i was making 12k a month, but I'm sure he has the headaches an stress to go along with it.

lol.

Sirscrapalot - No more dollar big macs. :(

Another idiot who thinks the world owes him something. He's gonna have a real tough life with that attitude.

"I wants my walkin' time!"
New York State Hospital employees demanding to be paid for the time it took to walk from the bus to work in the 1960's

we actually had a guy that was in his early 20's quit after 6 hours. What we do to see if they are a fit and can hang is the first day or so that they start we normally put them with a crew that is doing a tree removal. Nothing huge but something that can be hand loaded in the back of a chip truck or bucket truck. Yes we own loaders but this is a quick and easy way to weed through the guys that don't have the work attitude that we are looking for. I still remember when i graduated college and starting in this proffesion and having to do this and thinking to myself how crazy am i? 10 years later i don't work on the production side i am stuck behind a laptop or in my truck all day doing consulting but would love to hand load a truck or drag brush for a couple hours. To many kids today want everything handed to them and have a excuse for anything that gets them out of work. don't get me wrong there are some that are fantastic but that is only because there parents have taught them to work for everything and don't take the easy way out.

well, i can say with legitimacy that i can understand the working a part timer for other reasons.

you guys know that i am a part time scrapper, I do auctions and very little actual hunting on the streets. I have a full time 8-5 that brings scrap to me via our voice/data/security install customers. I have a 2 car garage and a storage unit that I work out of and that's really it. I also run my vinyl graphics business out of the same garage (it takes up 1/4 of my garage space)

I work 2-3 nights a week (6-8 hour shifts) cooking for Outback Steakhouse, not because I have to, but because I want to. We all know the winter months are a little slower. I know the owner and he pays me $12/hr and I use that for Vacation/Christmas/play money. Could I use the time I spend there and earn the same cash to play with doing more scrap? Probably. But I like the stability and guarantee of it, I know that there are no peaks or valleys in my play stash. Will that change in the spring? Who knows?

All in total, I would say I work about 80-90 hours/week. 40-45 at my office, 15-20 at the restaurant, 15-20 cutting/installing vinyl, and another 10-20 doing E-Scrap. So even at the low end of each of those, I'm looking at 80. I will say that the vinyl and e-scrap are a little balancing act. If I have more hours on vinyl, I spend less on the scrap and vice versa. But I have 4 completely unique and separate income streams. And they all serve a purpose.

+1 crazyguy
You can turn a lump of coal into a diamond,
but you can only polish a turd so bright.

That kid was a turd.

I am more than willing to work with less than perfect workers ... but it's up to them if they're a diamond a coal or a turd.

Also...look at it from an employees perspective. 9-12 bucks an hour is par for the course in most manufacturing jobs in this country with a complete benefits package. I'm not making excuses for this kid in particular, that would be the wrong approach, BUT I would not hire anyone at 9-12 an hour and sit him down to perform break downs all day long. Most of these kids are pretty smart and generally overqualified for menial labor tasking, at least in my area. There is value in a hard days work but the mind needs more these days with video games, facebook, and everything else making our daily lives more "engrossing". Work needs to have variety. Yes mostly I need things broke down, but then I need help on pickups, I need incoming boxes tested, and help boxing things up, doing inventory, taking pictures for ebay and craigslist stuff...working ebay especially....and that's how you keep a guy, because he knows he has value that he's not a machine.

After 1.5 days, There was no opportunity for variety to occur

I meant in the future, not with this guy.

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Originally Posted by spinroch

After 1.5 days, There was no opportunity for variety to occur

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LMFAO......I actually Laughed OUT loud a little on that one

I know, army...
It was just too good of a line to pass up!

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Originally Posted by t00nces2

$20/hr? For a 40hr week? Where are you? Wouldn't have to worry about me missing any work.

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Yup, and I second that, no problem. :) lb