I had a bad day

I became PISSED today
A yard by me called Greenblott stole from me and it was the owner no less
I took a small order in

Copper 20 pounds in a 6,8 oz bucket

62 lb copper bearing in a 5 lb bucket

20 lbs Aluminum

52 lb short that was nuts bolts, a 90 year old sowing machine and 1/8 thick steel Since it was a small amt I took it to the hand weigh area. The owner says it’s not short I say well 52 lb in a 5gal bucket half full is not mix (I have taken apart sewing machines there short )

And 192 mix

Now the real problem - Now I get paid
13 lbs copper that with math equals a 7 lb bucket I get taken for a pound @ $2.70
50 CBM that with math equals a 12 lb bucket I get taken for 7 lbs for $1.40
20 AL did not get paid for at all - get taken for 20 lbs for $10.00
52 short did not get paid for at all - get taken for 52 lbs for $6.24
Grand total stole from me $24
Then I express how come my AL not on the bill, and the owner goes off and says LOOK your stuff is all curb pickings your AL was no good I put in the garbage (I’m thinking how come not in your mix pile ) I don't say it cause I am trying to resolve and I am completely surprised by this . I am surprised by the BULL
Then he says don't come back here and don't wave the receipt in my face
I also heard the casher call me a retard now I might have some learning disability I even might be a darn retard but I believe it's illegal to call some body a retard especially a customer

That would be the last time I would do bussness with that yard even if I had to drive 50 miles to another yard

and a nice article in the public forum of your local newspaper would be lovely.

Does that sowing machine sow oats? I'm just kidding with ya.

Sucks that they mistreated you. As for being illegal to call you names. I highly doubt it. Rude, yes. Illegal, I don't know about that.

How certain are you that YOUR scale is accurate? I see a lot of people complaining that their weights don't match the yards, but unless your scale is calibrated by the dept of weights or whoever it is that does that thing, then I might suspect your scale is a tad off.

And yes, I know/hear/am aware that some yards like to play games with their scales.

he said he never got paid at all tho and the owner chucked his aluminum in the garabage.

In the long run I'll let the weights go by but to not pay me at all for my aluminum and then says he tossed it in the trash , I want my gas money $10 AL = gas / but never will i sell there .

I see it now. Not sure why the yard would "throw it away".

It is not illegal to call you names as long as the exchange doesnt rise to the level of a threat.But it is illegal to steal your material.You could have called the police and at least filed a report and demanded your material back.Sounds unusual but Ive seen it work.Keep in mind that all legitamate scrap yards are licensed through their respective states,you can file a complaint with the state as well as the weights and measures authority,they take those complaints seriously in my state.Personaly I would save up another load like the one you described..Weight each item at a certified scale..get stamped weigh tickets of each item with pictures and send a buddy/ and a witness back to the same yard and see if they do it again.If complaints to the state dont get you satisfaction ...there is nothing like making him show up in a small claims court where you could get your money/damages/lost wages and then we will see who in the "retard".

I always use Greenblotts and I've never had a problem with them. The guys in the yard are a lot friendlier than Weitsmans, they pay better, and I would never think the owner would say stuff like that.

Was the aluminum dirty? When I started out, I made the mistake of not taking the bolts out of some aluminum doors and got dirty price for them. I've talked to the owner on numerous occasions and I find it hard to believe he would say anything like what you're describing.

With the short steel, maybe it was a new guy who didn't know what he was doing when grading your stuff, or maybe it has to be bigger than a few nuts and bolts. And as for the weights, maybe your scale is off.

Once again, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe they said that stuff. Maybe there's more to the story

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Then I express how come my AL not on the bill, and the owner goes off and says LOOK your stuff is all curb pickings your AL was no good I put in the garbage

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well in all honesty. It doesnt matter if it is curb pickings or not. Fact is it is still AL and ur AL at that I woulda picked it back out of the trash and loaded ALL my scrap back up. Take my a$$ down the road somewhere and been done. I also would start an article in the paper. You can call your local paper and talk to someone about what happened. They will most likely be more then glad to run a story on it. I know here my wife called about an issue at the school. The next day there was an article in the paper about it. Next day the school called with a huge apolajy. As a reguler guy I am sorry that you got treated that way. It pisses me off when people act that way. In my younger days I been known to kick the crap out of a few guys for talking to me like I was less then they were. But as it is that yard will lose buisness over time due to ''The owners'' stupidity and rudeness.

Go back to the yard and talk to the "retard". They told you not to come back as they screwed you? I would bring in another load to see if they did it again. If so tell everyone about it, media, friends other scrap yards etc.

I wonder why so many yards think stealing is ok. Some have dodgey scales, others lie about their price, some say you had less weight or whatever. Everyone says...oh it's a dirty business, and you have to watch everything yourself. But a thief is a thief, and it makes me sick when people try to justify it. Like saying oh that's the scrap metal business or if the customer doesn't know, hey than it's ok to steal his money. To me the bottom line is...If a customer comes in with something worth $100 and you KNOWINGLY give them less your are a piece of s*** thief Period!!!

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Originally Posted by Scrap man

I always use Greenblotts and I've never had a problem with them. The guys in the yard are a lot friendlier than Weitsmans, they pay better, and I would never think the owner would say stuff like that.

Was the aluminum dirty? When I started out, I made the mistake of not taking the bolts out of some aluminum doors and got dirty price for them. I've talked to the owner on numerous occasions and I find it hard to believe he would say anything like what you're describing.

With the short steel, maybe it was a new guy who didn't know what he was doing when grading your stuff, or maybe it has to be bigger than a few nuts and bolts. And as for the weights, maybe your scale is off.

Once again, I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe they said that stuff. Maybe there's more to the story

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This really happened today / Todd was the man who said it all to me & he was at the scale I have been scraping for 3 years and yes I have always had a pleasant time selling there even though i sell most to Weissman but once in a wile i give him a shot. truth is he pays less in some ways but some times more , LOOK he took my 20 pounds of AL and it was not on the receipt he then said he tossed it to trash - thats BULL - he stole my $10 dollars - & he made $20 clean - come on man if he took the tiny amt of ten he must really pull fast ones as thats a true sign of stealing , big or small it's all the same to some people and often they are the very rich that are very much out of touch.
I am NOT making it up, why would i have the need . they have cameras the picture will tell it all - the AL was on the scale and not on the receipt I sat on my knees chopping the AL off boards , That kinda money hits the hart. All AL hits the shredder any way so a screw once here or there is nothing to be ashamed over mine was 99% clean.

This is were the forums gets some true action. Other members that use your yard should make a stink about this happening. and let the workers/boss over hear your exchanges about haveing to watch everytthing and how much a hassle it is. The forums are a powerful tool and if the owners isnt a half assed moron he'll get his **** togther fast.

Hello,
It sucks being screwed over. I would definitely not go back there and I would tell other recyclers and friends about what had happened. However, I would not put a posting in the local newspaper without consulting an attorney first. I could see this going bad. The yard owner could sue you for slander if you are not careful. I could be wrong, just my .02 cents

Buckatabon

Nope I am not into slander , And i see the truth that the ten bucks is only ten still I will pursue the owner with a letter i wrote ,I will have it notarized and copied so he can't rewrite it . If he does not return my AL @ 20 or $10 I will take him to small claims as this is the owner , to tell the truth a worker i'd be easy on as id say he had a hard day or low pay the heck with it. BUT this is the owner and if I can't be treated well by him who else will be proper

write them to the BBB (I hate business owner that don't know how to treat there customers)

The owner says he was scraping since he was 12 , & he deals with Thousands of dollars worth of metal and he is doing me a favor to buy my stuff , Yes he is but if i learned any thing from scraping is that when you keep stopping for as much metal as you can find big and small it adds up . so for a metal yard it goes like this
a small time curb finder could be good for 5000 lb per week @ 7 days or 21,000 lb per month and 252,000 per year now conservatively if you have 20 scrappers pulling hard for you per year you have 504,000,0 - now my feeling your really at 151,200,00 because i know there are way more then 20 lowly curb hunters. The owner is rich and does not need me , but why loose 252,000 per year

He is wrong he is not doing you a favor. I am well known at both the yards i use and one is a national company. They both have told me that 80 percent of their metal comes from people like us without us they would not be in bussiness

I've been burned by a yard in Teterboro NJ. I came in with 4 aluminum rims (no valve stems, no lead weight, pure AL) and some dirty aluminum as well. They paid out for all of it dirty. I asked for the manager and asked for my rims back. They refused. I've never been back.
What I do now is make two trips to yards. Trip 1 is nothing but clean Al and CU. No guess work, no games. Trip 2 is all my dirty stuff. I'd rather waste gas than get burned again (even though my current place is **** good about things like this).

You think that is bad...weismans....in scranton, pa is a bunch of thieving jews.....bums..whatevr.

Last time (I got hit for 25 lbs for trash. When I asked wtf did I throw off was trash, they wouldnt answer me Asked 4 different people.

Then saturday I heard some talk someone was getting paid for carbide at 5 a lb. So I inquire and they have another price list...that is not pubicly available. But they wouldnt give it to me and then they got snotty when I wouldnt let it go, being adamant I wanted it.They just said to go to the metal shop and they they started screaming at me they had other customers, and didst have time for me. Just go to the metal shop.

Wtf gives...I'm in there weekly, sometimes daily, sometimes 3x a day, since they opened. Hell I was running the scale before they officialy got there and bootsie was running their scale taking stuff into his yard.

I really want to know whats on the list. Oh and this happened 2 weeks ago. I was standing there and a guy was dumping shearable in the shred. I walked quietly like a ninja and whispered to him, hey ya know thats shearable. Well they told me to dump it here. Well they fing ya man, go in the office and *****.

Not even 5 mins later Steve was over reaming me out saying that he didnt need my help and mind my own biz. Dont know how heard the convoy unless he a ninja..lol.

Funniest thing is i still go there and put up with it, mostly due to convience sake and also best paying here in Scranton, Pa/ So ya aint the only one getting fricked.,...

Oh and weisman metal shop prices suckes. You can run down the street to elmwood and get higher prices on everything especially if you dont have the min weisman wants.

Its really bugging me this mystery price list. I wonder what I have threw in the shred that actually buy..like speaker magnets...

Ozzy, most yards have 2 pricelists, a retail and commercial list.

Copper, not sure how big an area you live in, but if you have a TV station, you may be able to get them to set up a sting. Newspaper may be interested as well. That would be great!

Of course the state may want to know about it. They may have more reports from the same place and your report woulf be the final straw to get them to check it out.

Lots of thoughts in my head I am trying to contact him via Email

BBB, Better Business Bureau, They actually don't do much except call and ask a few questions but your complaint will be on public file for anyone to see.

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Originally Posted by Mechanic688

BBB, Better Business Bureau, They actually don't do much except call and ask a few questions but your complaint will be on public file for anyone to see.

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I am one of those who check Google and BBB to see what people say. That is one thing I should have done to the yard that shorted me years ago.

I like to handle things up close and personal, but at my age and condition im not what I used to be, guess thats why I end up on the short end these days. that said. Im not a big fan of the Obummer/socialist/lib thing, but they love to go after companies. here they actually have a ligitimate reasion for once. might try to see if they will stand up for a ligit stand up guy.

Alot of my aluminum is picked up curbside. At least they should pay breakage. Theirs NO WAY they threw it in the garbage. their a METAL RECYCLING company. They made money one way or another

If this was me. I would buy a camera wrist watch on ebay for $60. Also seen the camera in a hat thing. Bring another load in and record him treating you this way. You could post on youtube or call media. This is illegal and he could sue you for recording him. On public property would be different.

I went back today I had my young kids , wife . We had gone to the dentist near by ,& all day it was irking me , giving my metal out for free, My wife said lets just go there so i did we debated but i feel looking at my young kids caused the owner to give in. he gave me $20 more. Wile i am not happy with the scenario, it's all in the fight. Also I am not here to ultimately bad mouth that yard business is business & I am sure most people are happy with that yard.The yards money is still good just a cut throat business nothing personal
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See how peaceful I get once i get the money that was meant to be mine , Now I am happy and no ill-will

im glad you got your money in the end

A lot of complaining for 10 bucks...

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Originally Posted by scrappy888

A lot of complaining for 10 bucks...

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The yard people have taught me how 1 lb means the world to them they fight for each pound
so why shouldn't I
Lets look at the real picture . A yard can easily have 150 customers a day @ 6 days (yards by me are open 7 days a week)
so skim a $10 spot from 150 customers = $1500 per day & $1500 X 6 = $9000
and a month is 4 weeks and some months are 5 weeks so $9000 X 4.2 weeks = $37,800.00
I generally do let a pound slide here and there But the metals we find are resources with out side forces trying to stop people like me from pulling from the curb, so its all really valuable to me

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If any one reads the start of my post I said the copper was in a bucket weighing 6 lbs .8 oz I meant to type 5 lb 8 oz or average it to 6

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Originally Posted by scrappy888

A lot of complaining for 10 bucks...

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I don't nit pick over pennies..but I will raise the roof over someone treating me like crap, and literally taking $$ that's mine.

$10..$1...$0.50....lie to me, call me names, steal from me....You'll never hear the end of it.

They prolly dug it out after you left. I like my yard they are respectful to me and they know me