making sure i have stuff in right catorgory before going to yard.

**brucie** · 10-19-2012, 08:33 AM

omg i give up on the numbers. any help by picture would be appreciated. for some reason the numbers keep coming and going.. i thought it was size of pic so i resized but then when i go back to preview some of the numbers are there and some are not.
sorry for the confusion.. hopefully someone can help w/out my sketchy numbering system lol

i think i will take my first load today or monday... well at least steel, copper, and aluminum.

i put some numbers on the pics to clarify. i got about 25lbs of different alum about 25 of copper 2 clean and 25 insulated...the below is stuff i am not sure about.. it started out as 4 pictures so sorry ahead of time for the number of questions. obviously its a lot so if you dont want to go through each number but see something that i have a wrong assumption about i would appreciate a correction. these clarification will help me in the future w/ like items. so thanks to anyone who responds.

1- typical heatsinks w/ fans. are these the only type that are extrusion? Are the flat ones like 2 in the picture every extrusion? I had all ones like 2 in the sheet box but then i found some that look like number 3 in the pic. 3 are ones w/ either a extruded bottom and really thin sheet attached fins or are ones that are really thin sheet alum. so i was wondering if the thicker ones like 2 that are flat are extrusion to or just a thicker sheet?

When i first started reading the back threads i saw a pic of the object number 4 (the part w/ the round thing w/ the diagonial lines and the rod or pipe its attached to not necessarily the cast part) and i have always put them aside because i thought i saw someone say that they were different than just shred. i dont see why they would be but maybe it was in reference to the ones that have the cast aluminum part on them. is this anything but shred not including the cast part? i am sure that cast part unscrews but i cant get some of them off. if they were together could i turn that whole thing is as dirty aluminum..of course on the ones that are alum. Same picture number 5, that is part of a garbage disposal. Its aluminum wire. what would that go in if i dont take the wire off? i have a bunch of stuff that has alum on it that i cant clean but it seems to me that they would not take it as alum bc of the other steel weight?

6- all number 2 copper right? 7- top is stainless steel that i cant get off..i could hold that back to try again.. what would it go in if i turn it in as is?

all of the stuff around number8, i would think by looking at it it would be cast but its not the breakable type. Is this still cast? the pipe number 9, i would think the pipe would be extrusion w/ the attached part being cast? a lot of my questions are on stuff like this that are stuck together.. if i cant get that piece off, what will the whole thing go as? part on the top not breakable type either. 10 is the part that attaches a bicycle pedal to the bicycle. is that extrusion? 11 sheet?

12 is what aluminum was on a gas blower after breaking down. is that cast? 13 i think these come off ceiling fans.. they are aluminum and steel inseparable from what i can tell. another one of those, looks like to much steel to be dirty alum?
14 alumimum pipe that were legs to a few different things. some of them are old beat up and thin but i dont see any seams and the other is perfectly round no seams. 14- extrusion? 15 foot scooter that has pieces welded together? is that extrusion or sheet? it pretty thick. 16 is some sort of display dish.. it has a black painted bottom, no seems looks like one solid piece... i have no idea what that would be.. cast?

18 bike frame.. extrusion? what about those black parts beside it w/ the clamp? extrusion?
i have another bike that has all the steel off except the parts on the bottom bracket and the bic has a bunch of paint on it. it would be dirty alum even if i were to get that bracket off right bc of the extra paint?
19 (top of picture) alum from one of those tents.. extrusion? it has ridges in the metal that look like extrusion.
20 is a by the door light house.. it looks like it should break like cast but doesnt.. maybe just old. cast?

21 and 22 (the items on the left and middle, 23 is the right side winding things) go together correct? what about 23.. does 23 have enough copper to be transformer/cpm? can 21 and 22 go in w/ those fans and plastic parts?

25 i assume that stainless steel part comes off but i cant get it to. where would it throw that if i cant get it off?
26 is the part of a ice maker that sticks in the water.. its copper w/ a coating of alum maybe? to dirty for number 2?
27 maybe a vcr or something like that? cast, extrusion?
28 i found a bunch of these hot rollers.. dirty alum w/ the plastic on it? it doesnt weigh enough to take off.. how much extra stuff can be on alum and be dirty price. is there a point where they will nto take it?

29 this is what was left of the blower motor that i could not get the steel off. does that not come off w/out cutting? dirty alum?

30 all dirty alum.. again, what is to much steel for them not to take as dirty alum? theres only one alum when its dirty right?

31 is the turn knob on stainless steel sink parts. my question is, the bolt looking thing inside.. is that going to be SS too or is it reg steel welded inside there? i dont have a magnet small enough to fit in there and it doesnt stick to the outside in that area..

**greytruck** · 10-19-2012, 09:31 AM

Seperate it the best you can. the yard guys will sort it out. just ask them "should this go with this?" or the "What do you guys take this as?" To much stuff to id here. good luck

**hobo finds** · 10-19-2012, 09:35 AM

I'll try...
1 Ext
2 MLC by me
3 MLC
4 Elect motor or dirty alum
5 Elect motor
6 #2 Copper
7 Dirty stainless??
8 Some items are die cast zinc
9 MLC
10 MLC
11 MLC
12 Alum motors / transmissions??
13 Dirty alum
14 MLC
15 MLC
16 not sure
no 17
18 MLC
19 Ext
20 Cast alum or diecast zinc
21, 22 & 23 elect motors
no 24
25-28 no pics
29 Dirty alum
30 dirty alum
31 dirty stainless or dirty crome plated brass

**brandon** · 10-19-2012, 09:38 AM

and this is why i like the fact that my yard only has 2 catagories for al, clean and dirty and they pay $.60 # across the board for clean. if its a motor with windings put it with your motors, yes the small ones are good to include with wour motors, your seeel pieces with al cast into and around it goes to cast iron, your yard may take them as dirty al. invest in a pair of bolt cutters or something with a cutting wheel it will make breaking things down easier.

**brucie** · 10-19-2012, 10:08 AM

i appreciate you guys taking a look at these. i would like to know for this trip but i really want to clear up the questions for the future so i dont have so many items in the question buckets. these pictures are just a small amount of the stuff i have ready for a trip and what was in the question buckets.

i just got an angle grinder and it worked great, but my neck and back are jacked up and i only have a small amount of time a week they allow me to do stuff.. so i cleaned up what i thought was worth the most and put the rest in the dirty pile.

missing picture

25 i assume that stainless steel part comes off but i cant get it to. where would it throw that if i cant get it off? is that huge chunk solid copper?

26 is the part of a ice maker that sticks in the water.. its copper w/ a coating (think thick paint appearance) of alum maybe? to dirty for number 2?
27 maybe from a vcr or something like that? cast, extrusion?
28 i found a bunch of these hot rollers.. dirty alum w/ the plastic on it? it doesnt weigh enough to take off.. how much extra stuff can be on alum and be dirty price. is there a point where they will nto take it?

i have never heard any of the yards ive called mention MLC. i will have to call and ask. how would you know if something like a round tube leg off of something were extrusion or mlc?

with the picture that has 8,9,10. i looked up die cast zinc and the definition says that it is like cast but heavier and brittle. these items are not brittle. for example the ceiling fan thing that attaches the blades. i have some that are what i assume would be cast and they break if hit w/ a hammer. the ones in the picture are more solid and dont have that porous look.
thanks

**brucie** · 10-19-2012, 10:27 AM

another question.. this compressor came from a ice making machine. does it have any resell value?

i see some on ebay refrigerator compressor | eBay but they all look new w/ parts and stuff. ive seen comments about not turning them upside down/etc. Are they generally only bought new or w/ some sort of certification that they work? i didnt see any on craigslist.

**Mechanic688** · 10-19-2012, 12:07 PM

Off to the left of #2 those 2 pieces are extruded and everything else is sheet or as my yard calls it "old sheet".

**shadygrady** · 10-20-2012, 08:39 AM

i need your zinc scrap for a civil war casting job e mail me at grady_mitchell2002@yahoo.com

**EcoSafe** · 10-20-2012, 08:59 AM

seperate the stuff you know for sure. then seperate the stuff you think you know. there is a big difference between cast, die cast, and ext alu. there is also a big difference between yards. some will be very helpful some will rip you.

ask for help at the yard, hopefully you will get it. you have a wide variety of stuff.

every time I go to the yard my alu guy and copper guy get an ice cold mr pib for one and a MT dew for the other this $2 has saved me a lot of argument and put several 100 dollars in my pocket };<{)>.

**hobo finds** · 10-20-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by shadygrady

i need your zinc scrap for a civil war casting job e mail me at grady_mitchell2002@yahoo.com

I just got rid of 8 lbs of it last week at a whopping .10 cents per lb LOL! When I get more I will contact you...

**hobo finds** · 10-20-2012, 10:22 AM

24 elect motor?
25 cut it off and #2 cu
26 #2 cu
27 Not sure
28 Try dirty alum or smash it with a hammer to break off
Compressor sell as is or cut open for more copper

**hobo finds** · 10-20-2012, 10:32 AM

Aluminum MLC
As with clips this is a very common mix of 1100, 3003, 3004, 5005, 5052, 6061 and 6063. Unlike clips, MLC is usually the thick solids instead of the thin clean sheets. MLC is the initals for mixed low copper

I am sure it is the same as what you are getting as sheet.
By me only catagories are Rims, Ext, Alum cans, MLC, Paint, Cast, Dirty and transmissions/alum motor

**hobo finds** · 10-21-2012, 01:54 PM

Well did you take a load in? If so what did they say?

**happyscraper** · 10-21-2012, 09:58 PM

Brucie, send me a PM and let me know were in Florida you live. If you live in the Tampa Bay area I can get with you and help you out.

**brucie** · 10-22-2012, 06:27 AM

Thanks everyone. my back caught up w/ me from the past wk so i decided to wait (well was forced to lol) and rest it a few days bf loading up. I will try to go tomorrow.

So i think the only thing that is still stumping me a bit is the different die cast zinc and maybe the MLC items. i plan to call the yards today and see if they have a mlc category.

With the die cast zinc if it looks like it came out of a mold and has the properties of alum (nonmagnetic and no spark) then it would either be cast alum or die cast zinc right? then if those items were grainy and breakable w/ hammer it would be cast alum and if they dont break they are most likely die cast zinc? is that correct? die cast zinc can look both grainy and non grainy? are those assumptions correct?

I have some hydrochloric acid and plan to do some spot test today. Are there other metals in the above categories (nonmagnetic, non spark) that could test negative on acid test and not be die cast zinc?

Thanks on the compressor info. I did not realize there was copper in there. i will open it if its not to much trouble. some of the yards i called said they did not take compressors.

you guys put bicycle/scooter wheels in w/ extrusion? the rubber is off.

I called a few yards last wk and all the ones i called told me to put rotors in w/ shred. I could swear i read you guys got a higher price for them??

thanks again everyone. hopefully this post will cut down on my questions in the future.

**volvoscrapper** · 10-22-2012, 07:45 AM

Nice scrapping work!

#16 looks like you have to do some work to figure out what it is. Smashbox it until you have time.

Just a suggestion, sort of what Brandon hinted...at these quantities you might do well to look for a yard that pays decent and just classes everything "aluminum." Some yards even take zinc in with aluminum. it would save you a lot of grief for the few cents you'll make by sorting through all this stuff. If you sort through 30 pounds of aluminum into three categories, then come out ten cents ahead on half of it you got an extra buck and a half for your trouble.

But you're also hitting the scale with 3 lots at ten pounds, likely more tare, not to mention less accuracy on the low end of the scale (like any "gauge" a scale is most accurate in the middle of its rated range; less accurate at the extremes)

Same with the motors and little transformers & such; find a yard that isn't fussy and lump as much in the same box as possible. And don't hesitate to earmark certain items for specific yards. My ali/zinc goes to a different yard than my elmos.

When you don't know what something is or can't get something apart, throw it in the smashbox. You save the smashbox for the dead of winter when there's no scrap to be found. That's when you have time to breakdown the more difficult items, touch the unknown item to the grind wheel, etc.

**brucie** · 10-22-2012, 10:25 AM

yeah i probably will not take in a group if its just a handful of stuff but i have research junkie in me and could not just let these go w/out finding out what they are.

most of what i have is sheet alum, heat sinks, pans, and a bunch of legs from stuff so i had planned to take that and the copper for the first run. i dont think i have a yard that just has alum but there are a few more i can call. sitting down to do that now.

thanks again

**Mechanic688** · 10-22-2012, 10:39 AM

I had my diecast separated from all my alum. and when I got to the scale the scaleman threw them together with my cast alum.

**brucie** · 10-22-2012, 10:41 AM

dag well maybe i will take it and see what they say.

Originally Posted by Mechanic688

I had my diacast seperated from all my alum. and when I got to the scale the scaleman threw them together with my cast.

**brucie** · 10-23-2012, 11:45 AM

on number 25, you see the difference in color of the one long small pipe compared to the the other 2 that are cut off and the big part? it is the same color as the pipe sticking out of the thing next to it. are those 2 brass?

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