Results 1 to 14 of 14

Magnetic oven wire

| Scrap Metal Questions and Answers
  1. #1
    DesertEaglePt50 started this thread.
    SMF Badges of Honor

    Member since
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    4
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Magnetic oven wire

    Hi all,
    I scrapping an old oven manufactured at the latest in the mid eighties. The wires that lead to the stove heating elements are magnetic. they are they are covered by a mesh like cloth insulation. the wiring is stranded and appears to be aluminum. any ideas on whether the wiring is actually ferrous? thanks for your help.



  2. #2
    SMF Badges of Honor

    Member since
    May 2014
    Location
    New Brunswick, Canada
    Posts
    346
    Thanks
    209
    Thanked 292 Times in 131 Posts
    If its sticking to a magnet its ferrous

  3. #3
    Otto's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor


    Member since
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Ottawa, Ontario
    Posts
    335
    Thanks
    494
    Thanked 322 Times in 166 Posts
    I've noticed that terminal connectors to heating elements are sometimes ferrous. Are you sure it's the wire itself and not the connectors that are magnetic?

  4. The Following User Says Thank You to Otto for This Post:


  5. #4
    SMF Badges of Honor


    Member since
    Nov 2011
    Location
    boise, ID
    Posts
    1,605
    Thanks
    469
    Thanked 1,462 Times in 668 Posts
    It could be high temp nickel wire. I have seen it used in applications like that.

  6. The Following 6 Users say Thank You for This Post by freonjoe:


  7. #5
    SMF Badges of Honor



    Member since
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    2,168
    Thanks
    632
    Thanked 2,503 Times in 1,138 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by freonjoe View Post
    It could be high temp nickel wire. I have seen it used in applications like that.
    Good call freonjoe, I've also seen nickel wire used in commercial as well high end consumer appliances. Rip an old toaster apart you'll find nickel wire attached to the elements.

    Nickel wire is far superior to copper, with copper wire the ends tend to overheat creating loose connections and an oxide coating inhibiting conductivity.
    Last edited by alloy2; 08-07-2015 at 11:39 PM.

  8. The Following 8 Users say Thank You for This Post by alloy2:


  9. #6
    SMF Badges of Honor

    Member since
    Jul 2015
    Location
    Palm Coast, FL
    Posts
    55
    Thanks
    94
    Thanked 31 Times in 12 Posts
    I scrapped an old double oven too, from the 80's, and I think I encountered this wire too. Tons of copper wire. Anyhow, this wire you guys speak of freaked me out, because when I removed the wire - and the oven had one wire for each oven - I balled it up and I noticed it sparked and smoked on its own. Not sure why it sparked but I watched it and it sure did.. over and over for days. Odd stuff man. I tossed it in with my ferrous scrap, I'd hate to find out it was nickle.. that sounds expensive.

  10. #7
    SMF Badges of Honor



    Member since
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    2,168
    Thanks
    632
    Thanked 2,503 Times in 1,138 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by FLScrapperGuy1 View Post
    I scrapped an old double oven too, from the 80's, and I think I encountered this wire too. Tons of copper wire. Anyhow, this wire you guys speak of freaked me out, because when I removed the wire - and the oven had one wire for each oven - I balled it up and I noticed it sparked and smoked on its own. Not sure why it sparked but I watched it and it sure did.. over and over for days. Odd stuff man. I tossed it in with my ferrous scrap, I'd hate to find out it was nickle.. that sounds expensive.
    The wire that sparked and smoked was actually a capillary tube connected the rheostat a copper bulb on the oven end filled with perhaps sodium. The sodium melts and expands when heated pushing against a diaphragm inside the rheostat, by adjusting he rheostat for a higher oven temperature a spring inside exerts more pressure on the diaphragm creating more resistance for the melted sodium thus bringing the oven temperature upwards before the electrical contacts inside open breaking the circuit at the set temperature.

    When the sodium cools it shrinks inside the capillary tube allowing the electrical contacts to once again complete a circuit, this constant cycling keeps the oven at the predetermined temperature. Oven rheostats are pre adjusted at the factory but may also be serviced adjusted for correction in the shop.

    When sodium is exposed to the humidity in the air or water it takes fire, when I was a kid I used to cut the stem open on sodium cooled valves found on some industrial engines just to get the sodium to experiment with.

    Last edited by alloy2; 08-08-2015 at 09:58 AM.

  11. The Following 4 Users say Thank You for This Post by alloy2:


  12. #8
    DesertEaglePt50 started this thread.
    SMF Badges of Honor

    Member since
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    4
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Thanks for all the replies. My understanding of scrap yards is that if something is attracted to a magnet you will receive ferrous pricing. is high temp Nickel wire and exception to this rule. I am sure it is not the connectors that is attracting the magnet. the wire is very weakly attracted to the magnet and I only noticed it with a very small piece (several inches) that was light enough to show movement when near the magnet.

  13. #9
    EcoSafe's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor



    Member since
    May 2011
    Posts
    3,705
    Thanks
    3,713
    Thanked 6,807 Times in 1,954 Posts
    IT is nichrome should go for stainless or better.
    "anyone who thinks scrappin is easy money ain't doin it right!"

  14. The Following User Says Thank You to EcoSafe for This Post:


  15. #10
    Mechanic688's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor



    Member since
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Warsaw , Ind. In the heart of the lakes, and down the street from the hotel where Al Capone stayed.
    Posts
    9,568
    Thanks
    11,247
    Thanked 10,730 Times in 4,728 Posts
    Uses

    Nichrome is used in a very wide variety of devices where electric heating is required.

    Nichrome is used in the explosives and fireworks industry as a bridgewire in electric ignition systems, such as electric matches and model rocket igniters.

    Industrial and hobby hot-wire foam cutters use nichrome wire.

    Nichrome wire is commonly used in ceramic as an internal support structure to help some elements of clay sculptures hold their shape while they are still soft. Nichrome wire is used for its ability to withstand the high temperatures that occur when clay work is fired in a kiln.

    Nichrome wire can be used as an alternative to platinum wire for flame testing by colouring the non-luminous part of a flame to detect cations such as sodium, potassium, copper, calcium etc.
    The alloy tends to be expensive due to its high nickel content. Distributor pricing is typically indexed to market prices for nickel.

    Nichrome may be also used as the coils of electronic cigarettes for vaping.
    Thanks to Wiki for the info;
    P & M Recycling - Specializing in E-Waste Recycling.
    If you enjoy your freedom, thank a vet.

  16. #11
    ChildhoodDream's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor


    Member since
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    569
    Thanks
    1,644
    Thanked 1,019 Times in 548 Posts
    Would the wire heating coils/elements in small electric heaters and other small appliances be made of the same type wire or is it a much different metals content?

    As I have many hundreds of small consumer items such as electric space heaters, toasters, hair dryers, pop corn makers and such that are best parted out if not worth more then scrap I have wondered about keeping the wire elements from these items separated if it has a possible value that is much more then the lower value metals.

    I realize that it would take hundreds of small appliances to end up with any weight in element wire. Even if I don't part out these items myself it is good to know what might be in them of a good value. A bit like most didn't know about what was in a catalytic converter until it became popular NEW$.

  17. #12
    DesertEaglePt50 started this thread.
    SMF Badges of Honor

    Member since
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    4
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    When the thread referred to nichrome it jogged my memory that I had bought some nichrome 80/20 (80% nickel) wire to use as a heating element in a diy smoke machine leak detector. I uncoiled a run and sure enough it was attracted to a neodymium magnet from a hard drive. From some brief internet research it seems that the blackish oxide layer that forms after nichrome is heated is magnetic but the wire is unheated. Again the nichrome was only weakly magnetic in response to a very strong magnet so ymmv. Thanks to all who posted.

  18. #13
    EcoSafe's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor



    Member since
    May 2011
    Posts
    3,705
    Thanks
    3,713
    Thanked 6,807 Times in 1,954 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by ChildhoodDream View Post
    Would the wire heating coils/elements in small electric heaters and other small appliances be made of the same type wire or is it a much different metals content?

    As I have many hundreds of small consumer items such as electric space heaters, toasters, hair dryers, pop corn makers and such that are best parted out if not worth more then scrap I have wondered about keeping the wire elements from these items separated if it has a possible value that is much more then the lower value metals.

    I realize that it would take hundreds of small appliances to end up with any weight in element wire. Even if I don't part out these items myself it is good to know what might be in them of a good value. A bit like most didn't know about what was in a catalytic converter until it became popular NEW$.

    usually yes, but to find a yard that will recognize it as such and pay properlyt is another story

  19. #14
    ChildhoodDream's Avatar
    SMF Badges of Honor


    Member since
    Mar 2015
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    569
    Thanks
    1,644
    Thanked 1,019 Times in 548 Posts
    It wouldn't be a problem for me to put the heat element wire and other such wire in a container by it's self. I have been setting up some 30 gallon size containers for the odd metals like non magnetic SS and pot metals as pot metals are a great hobby material for casting I've read.


  20. Similar threads on the Scrap Metal Forum

    1. Spooled Magnetic Wire
      By djw4524 in forum Scrap Metal Questions and Answers
      Replies: 8
      Last Post: 08-13-2014, 03:09 PM
    2. microwave oven
      By Scrapper2010 in forum Scrap Metal Questions and Answers
      Replies: 28
      Last Post: 10-21-2013, 09:23 PM
    3. 220v oven/stove wire
      By bluemeate in forum More than Scrap Value
      Replies: 9
      Last Post: 09-22-2011, 09:40 PM

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 7 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 7 guests)

 
Browse the Most Recent Threads
On SMF In THIS CATEGORY.





OR

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

The Scrap Metal Forum

    The Scrap Metal Forum is the #1 scrap metal recycling community in the world. Here we talk about the scrap metal business, making money, where we connect with other scrappers, scrap yards and more.

SMF on Facebook and Twitter

Twitter Facebook