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    What is the powder inside wire insulation?

    Was stripping some wire tonight. It was a cord that had an outside plastic/rubber sheath around 3 insulated internal wires.

    When I pulled the outermost layer off a lot of white powder came with it. Anyone know what this is, and how bad it is to breath in or get on your hands?

    Also while stripping the same batch of wire I was seeing red powdery dust come out of the actual braided copper wire.

    Any ideas what the stuff is?



    Thanks in advance


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    the white stuff was cocaine and the red stuff was peyote.........where did you get this stuff from anyways!?

    Just kidding. The white powder most likely acts as a lubricant for the plastic sheath, soapstone is often used for this. Was there any brown paper material in the braided wire?
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    Thanks for the response. No, these cords didn't have any paper or other wrappings, just the wires and the coating. Some of the cords had so much stuff that cutting into it gave off clouds of dust. I figured it was some sort of insulation/lubricant but unsure exactly what the chemical was. I was nervous about breathing in something nasty so I stopped stripping them.
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    Go to a Dollar Store and buy some of those cheap white paper masks,, that'll do the trick.
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    I noticed it is mostly in vacuum cleaner cords, it's like a talcum powder. I haven't had any issues as of yet as far as breathing or skin irritation.

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    Hi,

    Careful as a computer guy once told me the white powder is mice poison should they get to the wires.
    Don't know if this is true that's why I ended up in this forum in the first place to try and verify.
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    That seems very far fetched to me! Talc powder to let wires slide in outer insulation would be more reasonable idea, yes?

    Edit; So the wire can be more flexible will be my best guess.
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    I think that the white powder is french chalk, powdered soapstone?
    I find it in the rubbery insulation wire mostly.

    I dunno about the mouse poison, well I have at least one theory on it, one chemical they do use in insulation to stop it catching fire (fire retardant) used to be used as a mouse poison. Red phosphorous

    Though I don't think you will find that poison for sale anymore.

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    The powder is Isocyanate and is used to stop the cores from sticking to one another simple. Now some time ago Isocyanates were classed as potential carcinogens and could cause asthma in certain people also irritating and sensitising the skin. I'm a Electrician and have been working with cables for nearly 50yrs and my skin splits around my nails and sometimes they even bleed, creams are available.
    We were never told about the hazards it was only my suspicion that made me investigate further, my advice to anyone is wear disposable gloves.

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    The powder's a retardant in case the cord catches fire. Like with all powder, I wouldn't breathe it in.

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    I don't know whether it's a fire retardant or not but it's primary job is to stop the plastic cores from sticking together.
    The plastic will burn like s--t all day long hence electric fires, I once saw a fire in a underground cable tunnel in the steel works and the only thing that put it out was foam so powders didn't do much that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules View Post
    I don't know whether it's a fire retardant or not but it's primary job is to stop the plastic cores from sticking together.
    The plastic will burn like s--t all day long hence electric fires, I once saw a fire in a underground cable tunnel in the steel works and the only thing that put it out was foam so powders didn't do much that day.
    I'd say not. It was explained to me that the powder is the same type used by airports to put out fires and has a low working temp so it wouldn't stop a high heat fire. I use to find the powder in older high voltage extension cables but I guess it can be found in any length of cord.

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    Is the fire extingusher powder baking soda?
    Being Sodium BIcarbonate, as its heated it turns to Sodium Carbonate and lets out a CO2 molecule.....?

    Im not sure if this is correct, but I know that its a sure way to ruin your day/party when someone pulls out a drypowder fire extingusher and says "lets let this off, it'd be fun"
    And lets it off.....

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    The powder is used in EVERY pvc cable from lighting flex to SWA (steel wire armoured) and like I have explained in my earlier posts don't breath it in and wear nitrile gloves when stripping the stuff

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